30 Sec Baha v2 (didnt see this in the other thread)

[Khamsin]

shuemue... i think cubana means that during the KC zerg, he doesnt plan on their drks to die.. but after the 45s, if AV is not dead... the drks will die, in which case they reset 2hours and try again...

as for fairy's kill:
this is edens first kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281867

this is edens second kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=315189

As if hundred fists or mighty strikes isn't going to kill the DRKs, either.

Too bad a PLD can't cover everyone in line of sight behind them, or they could have all the DRKs stand on top of each other with a PLD in front to invincible cover lol.

[Cubana]

Shuemue now I really feel you just post in this thread to be a shithead. I said why would the drks die in that original post b/c the other guy assumed the drks would die when in reality, according to the main plan, a PLD will be covering the DRK putting out the most dmg. Therefore the drks will be free from dmg. IF <------ IF AV is not dead by the end of MS or HF then the drks will die. You basically took two statements from seperate posts out of context and created your own meaningless addition to this thread just b/c you want to feel like you are good at arguing. Go away

[Shuemue]

I asked a simple question, so you could clarify.

[Jeryhn]

Shuemue now I really feel you just post in this thread to be a shithead.

Some dude called Irony just came and stabbed me in the face.

[Zilong]

Seriously, by the time they've actually posted result, AV would be fixed to be killable by means of jailer weapons and ebon panels.

[Meat]

I asked a simple question, so you could clarify.

No you made yourself look like an ass in a failed attempt at coming off as witty, well that or you're incapable of inferring

[Toth]

shuemue... i think cubana means that during the KC zerg, he doesnt plan on their drks to die.. but after the 45s, if AV is not dead... the drks will die, in which case they reset 2hours and try again...

as for fairy's kill:
this is edens first kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281867

this is edens second kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=315189

Why are people calling it Eden's 'first' kill when a majority of players in all the end game lses of Fairy came together to help kill it?

[Mertron]

Oh no, here comes mister sandy vagina.

[Therin]

shuemue... i think cubana means that during the KC zerg, he doesnt plan on their drks to die.. but after the 45s, if AV is not dead... the drks will die, in which case they reset 2hours and try again...

as for fairy's kill:
this is edens first kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281867

this is edens second kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=315189

Why are people calling it Eden's 'first' kill when a majority of players in all the end game lses of Fairy came together to help kill it?

Eden popped it, so it technically was Eden's AV, even though it was probably only half Eden or even less present when it died.

[Toth]

shuemue... i think cubana means that during the KC zerg, he doesnt plan on their drks to die.. but after the 45s, if AV is not dead... the drks will die, in which case they reset 2hours and try again...

as for fairy's kill:
this is edens first kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281867

this is edens second kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=315189

Why are people calling it Eden's 'first' kill when a majority of players in all the end game lses of Fairy came together to help kill it?

Eden popped it, so it technically was Eden's AV, even though it was probably only half Eden or even less present when it died.

Yeah, that's what I am getting at. The fight was more of a Fairy triumph over AV than one ls.

...that sounds so fey

[Mertron]

shuemue... i think cubana means that during the KC zerg, he doesnt plan on their drks to die.. but after the 45s, if AV is not dead... the drks will die, in which case they reset 2hours and try again...

as for fairy's kill:
this is edens first kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281867

this is edens second kill:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=315189

Why are people calling it Eden's 'first' kill when a majority of players in all the end game lses of Fairy came together to help kill it?

Eden popped it, so it technically was Eden's AV, even though it was probably only half Eden or even less present when it died.

Popped it and locked it by ourselves. We had some help after that yes, but all the help accomplished was killing it faster.

I won't deny we had some help, but we could have had any of our own members run back to tav to change to level 1 corsair (we had close to 40 of our shell there that day since it was our first JoL). We didnt ask 50 people to show up at the ramp. {Well actually, we asked a lot of people to come have fun with AV when we initially popped it, but were basically told to "have fun losing exp to it since it was unkillable" by all but one person really (and thats why only one person outside Eden got the title). Everyone came running when they heard we had locked it though.}

On topic though, thinking back to the AV kill, we had 4 kclub drks on it I beleive. We did prolly close to 8 percent damage each try (im guessing, but thats probably close). Say with 8-9 kclub drks they may throw at it, they do close to 30 percent damage each attempt. We had the luxury of AV not ws'ing, 2 hring or casting while we did it, or after each attempt while we regrouped. You're probably going to get destroyed once the kclub magic wears off. Vrtra and Bahamut don't have the regen AV does regardless of him being "locked" or not, my estimation is you cant kill it in one, or even 2, swoops at it. If you can find a way to string together attempts at it without him regenning too much though, more power to you.

Good luck with the attempt though if you get to try.

[Machazareel]

Shuemue now I really feel you just post in this thread to be a shithead. I said why would the drks die in that original post b/c the other guy assumed the drks would die when in reality, according to the main plan, a PLD will be covering the DRK putting out the most dmg. Therefore the drks will be free from dmg. IF <------ IF AV is not dead by the end of MS or HF then the drks will die. You basically took two statements from seperate posts out of context and created your own meaningless addition to this thread just b/c you want to feel like you are good at arguing. Go away

Covering the drk that does the most damage, when damage output can be really random in increments, regardless of which is most pimp, is a big leap of faith, lol.

And get that sand out of your vag, Toth o<

[RKenshin]

So what if the DRKs DO die. That's why god invented Reraise. Then call in the lvl1 COR squad to reset some BWs and do it again while some low levels or a team of PLD/NINs and WHMs hold AV for 5-6 minutes while DRKs rebuff and get unweakened. Repeat until AV is on the ground.

If the DRKs do die, then the plan becomes a lot more risky and much more dependent on luck (if even still possible).

This isn't a locked AV we're talking about, it has access to all magic/TP attacks/2hs that it normally will. Their plan is to zerg it during a 2h like Mighty Strikes or Hundred Fists, since the theory is that it doesn't use any magic or TP attacks during those 2hours. If they take longer than 30-60 seconds to kill it from the start of the 2h, then AV gets to do whatever he wants.

Sure, if DRKs die they can RR, but can they RR, get their 2hs back, and get unweakened all within a minute? Nope. By the time they're ready again, the odds of AV wiping everyone else from either using Manafont, Chainspell, etc, or curing itself to full with Benediction, or just annoying magic/TP attacks are extremely high. So the key in this strategy is to kill it ASAP, and delaying to wait for DRKs to unweaken isn't really an option. You could get it to 50% in 60 seconds and hold it as long as you want, but what stops AV from using Benediction? Nothing.

I'm aware there are ways to counter a lot of these problems, but there's still only so much you can do. And, there's no way to counter Benediction. So as soon as this strategy takes more than around 60 seconds it becomes mostly about luck.

But again, this is just my view on it.

[Taj]

I love you Mach

[Machazareel]

You're only human! ;D

jay kay, you should come play WoW on Lethon :<

[Toth]

Shuemue now I really feel you just post in this thread to be a shithead. I said why would the drks die in that original post b/c the other guy assumed the drks would die when in reality, according to the main plan, a PLD will be covering the DRK putting out the most dmg. Therefore the drks will be free from dmg. IF <------ IF AV is not dead by the end of MS or HF then the drks will die. You basically took two statements from seperate posts out of context and created your own meaningless addition to this thread just b/c you want to feel like you are good at arguing. Go away

Covering the drk that does the most damage, when damage output can be really random in increments, regardless of which is most pimp, is a big leap of faith, lol.

And get that sand out of your vag, Toth o<

Excuse me? Forgive me for reporting facts.

[Mertron]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/image...ng_closeup.jpg

Quick, someone in LP needs to come give the baby his bottle.

[Shuemue]

I asked a simple question, so you could clarify.

No you made yourself look like an ass in a failed attempt at coming off as witty, well that or you're incapable of inferring

How's that 33 whm sub going?
Choral roll rocking it in DA right?
Got that second SC ready over a BRD?

[Machazareel]

@Toth
Because it's not really fact. "a majority of players in all the end game lses of Fairy", when in actuality, it was a bunch of people watching with a few people from a couple of the linkshells who were actually put into the alliance. Two of the bigger shells weren't even there, lol.
We had 40 in the zone, and the alliance was mostly Eden. I've said in the past that the aid helped speed things along, but the only person from another shell who had a real effect on the outcome was Ryko, who selflessly sacked about 10k xp helping us train it, then threw his kclub drk into the mix. He was there from pop to kill trying to help, the rest of the server showed up after we had locked it.

I like to think of it as a bit of a Fairy accomplishment, but that doesn't mean it wasn't Eden's kill. It was. Some people from other linkshells were a part of it, but it was Eden's kill.

[Toth]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/image...ng_closeup.jpg

Quick, someone in LP needs to come give the baby his bottle.

No one is crying about a months-old feat on a still-glitched mob. I was just questioning semantics and titles. Killing AV was still an impressive accomplishment nonetheless but you are being awfully defensive about it, especially since no one would argue Eden's second AV was most definately their own kill.