30 Sec Baha v2 (didnt see this in the other thread)

[Therin]

AV has around 100k HP just based on percentages and amounts of HP healed when using benediction. However, he does have that insane regen to start so.. yea more than 100k really.

-TFx

So all they need is 30 KC DRK to throw in when more die/2hr wears! Where can we find such an army!

Or ten, based on the 10k/DRK idea.

When Eden killed it on Fairy they took off 10-15% every BW rotation (using CORs to gain two-hour back), and they only had (I think) 5 DRKs, two with Ridill instead of Kraken.

[Cubana]

I'll give you guys a hint as to how we will take AV down unlocked. A mob cannot overlap 2hrs. Once one wears another one can be used but not before. How long do Hundred Fists and Mighty Strikes last? How powerful is a tactic of distraction?

Oh and by the way, Feint is absolutely broken.

I'm just putting these idea out there now so no one can say we stole them.

I know what you're thinking but I'm doubtful that it would be possible, if I remember correctly the parses for our two AV kills came out to around 200k+ total HP. Dealing 200k damage in 60 seconds is overboard even for an alliance of Kraken DRKs... Only slight chance I see that happening is with an army of Kraken DRKs, CORs, THFs, and WHMs and/or RDMs totalling well over 40, and even then it ends up depending strongly on luck.

Well in 1min AV will not have 200k xp. You calculated that number based on the total dmg you did to AV. With his regen, it could boost 100k to 200k if you don't dmg it fast enough. If it hundred fists then that's 30 sec he does nothing but swing. 30sec 12drks 100k hp vs 1:23 with 5 drks against 70k vrtra.

It can and will be done.

[Khamsin]

Aspid should just absorb magical damage it takes while in-shell and then release it when it exits it's shell, doing like 2000 damage AoE. >=D

sup Whelk

[RKenshin]

My totals actually came to be well above 200k, I've been trying to find the actual parses but in the commotion of defeating AV I'm not sure where I might've saved them. But, yeah.. I'm just about certain he doesn't have 100k HP, I've done well over 10k damage to him in under 60 seconds and the most I remember seeing his HP% fall is 4%, and that was with BLMs nuking.

In addition we used significantly more damage on AV than we did on JoL, and AV still took longer to kill from 100% to 0 % than JoL does. Our JoL fights beforehand took about 30-45 minutes max, while the AVs took about 45 to 60 once locked. And, I actually have the JoL parses, which show it to be at about 200k HP as well http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/406/jolparsejt0.jpg

In addition, your Hundred Fist scenario has one major flaw, being your Kraken DRKs are going to get their faces planted into the ground. I don't know how you can casually say 'all he does is swing' when AV will hit a DRK for around 500 damage an attack, and when he's swinging non-stop he's just going to bury anyone that pulls hate. If you're really going to try to pull this off you're going to need every DRK alive for it, and hundred fists will do just the opposite.

That, and as much as I disagree with the nerf concepts earlier, if the only way to kill AV ends up being an army of Kraken/Ridill DRKs and support, odds are after hearing that SE will nerf it somehow.

[Therin]

Aspid should just absorb magical damage it takes while in-shell and then release it when it exits it's shell, doing like 2000 damage AoE. >=D

sup Whelk

Yeah that's what gave me the idea.

[Lordwafik]

That, and as much as I disagree with the nerf concepts earlier, if the only way to kill AV ends up being an army of Kraken/Ridill DRKs and support, odds are after hearing that SE will nerf it somehow.

Silly rykoshet, it's AV, which means they'd break AV once more so he'll have perma invincible or something ridiculous.

[RKenshin]

Or maybe even just both if they're feeling like assholes, I'd put my money on that.

[Cubana]

My totals actually came to be well above 200k, I've been trying to find the actual parses but in the commotion of defeating AV I'm not sure where I might've saved them. But, yeah.. I'm just about certain he doesn't have 100k HP, I've done well over 10k damage to him in under 60 seconds and the most I remember seeing his HP% fall is 4%, and that was with BLMs nuking.

In addition we used significantly more damage on AV than we did on JoL, and AV still took longer to kill from 100% to 0 % than JoL does. Our JoL fights beforehand took about 30-45 minutes max, while the AVs took about 45 to 60 once locked. And, I actually have the JoL parses, which show it to be at about 200k HP as well http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/406/jolparsejt0.jpg

In addition, your Hundred Fist scenario has one major flaw, being your Kraken DRKs are going to get their faces planted into the ground. I don't know how you can casually say 'all he does is swing' when AV will hit a DRK for around 500 damage an attack, and when he's swinging non-stop he's just going to bury anyone that pulls hate. If you're really going to try to pull this off you're going to need every DRK alive for it, and hundred fists will do just the opposite.

That, and as much as I disagree with the nerf concepts earlier, if the only way to kill AV ends up being an army of Kraken/Ridill DRKs and support, odds are after hearing that SE will nerf it somehow.

Cover, Invincible ring any bells?

[Khamsin]

In addition, your Hundred Fist scenario has one major flaw, being your Kraken DRKs are going to get their faces planted into the ground. I don't know how you can casually say 'all he does is swing' when AV will hit a DRK for around 500 damage an attack, and when he's swinging non-stop he's just going to bury anyone that pulls hate. If you're really going to try to pull this off you're going to need every DRK alive for it, and hundred fists will do just the opposite.

Depends... which is faster, Hundred Fists or Kraken+Blood Weapon? Or will the Blood Weapon only compensate for the Souleater damage, but not the Hundred Fists + Might Strikes damage?

Besides, I'd think the best way wouldn't be to wait for AV to start using Hundred Fists to start attacking, if you can really kill AV in 60 seconds, I'd just start immediately and hope he does something that won't own everyone in that time.

[Ryko]

Depends... which is faster, Hundred Fists or Kraken+Blood Weapon? Or will the Blood Weapon only compensate for the Souleater damage, but not the Hundred Fists + Might Strikes damage?

It'd compensate for like... 3-4 more damage than the souleater did considering how much the actual kraken does to that stupid thing -_-

Seriously that means you're gonna have 9 PLDs cover 9 DRKs and use their 2 hours? It's not like invincible is gonna hold hate so it's just to hope the DRKs can bring it down fast enough in that minute and not die past the 30 seconds cover's up. His normal melee hits basically faced me in a couple rounds and that's not considering MS or HF, past those 30 seconds your DRKs are gonna evaporate :/

[Therin]

Depends... which is faster, Hundred Fists or Kraken+Blood Weapon? Or will the Blood Weapon only compensate for the Souleater damage, but not the Hundred Fists + Might Strikes damage?

It'd compensate for like... 3-4 more damage than the souleater did considering how much the actual kraken does to that stupid thing -_-

Seriously that means you're gonna have 9 PLDs cover 9 DRKs and use their 2 hours? It's not like invincible is gonna hold hate so it's just to hope the DRKs can bring it down fast enough in that minute and not die past the 30 seconds cover's up. His normal melee hits basically faced me in a couple rounds and that's not considering MS or HF, past those 30 seconds your DRKs are gonna evaporate :/

Yeah, Invincible won't do shit against 200+ damage 2-8 times per round. <_<

[RKenshin]

In addition, your Hundred Fist scenario has one major flaw, being your Kraken DRKs are going to get their faces planted into the ground. I don't know how you can casually say 'all he does is swing' when AV will hit a DRK for around 500 damage an attack, and when he's swinging non-stop he's just going to bury anyone that pulls hate. If you're really going to try to pull this off you're going to need every DRK alive for it, and hundred fists will do just the opposite.

Depends... which is faster, Hundred Fists or Kraken+Blood Weapon? Or will the Blood Weapon only compensate for the Souleater damage, but not the Hundred Fists + Might Strikes damage?

Besides, I'd think the best way wouldn't be to wait for AV to start using Hundred Fists to start attacking, if you can really kill AV in 60 seconds, I'd just start immediately and hope he does something that won't own everyone in that time.

Blood weapon on AV and JoL doesn't give you HP back lol... And when it does it's small amounts, and by small I mean 1-4 HP and maybe 10 HP on critical hits.

Normal hits with a Kraken club on AV and JoL do just about all 0s, and the only way you get HP back from BW is when you're main weapon is hitting for more than 0 with SE up.

I was just specifically talking about the Hundred Fists scenario since it was used as an example where DRKs could easily go all out with no consequences/risks... And I disagreed with that concept.

[divisortheory]

Bring an army of like 12 CORs to be rotated in as well, to reset abilities. Could reset PLDs cover, as well as DRKs 2 hours.

[Cubana]

In addition, your Hundred Fist scenario has one major flaw, being your Kraken DRKs are going to get their faces planted into the ground. I don't know how you can casually say 'all he does is swing' when AV will hit a DRK for around 500 damage an attack, and when he's swinging non-stop he's just going to bury anyone that pulls hate. If you're really going to try to pull this off you're going to need every DRK alive for it, and hundred fists will do just the opposite.

Depends... which is faster, Hundred Fists or Kraken+Blood Weapon? Or will the Blood Weapon only compensate for the Souleater damage, but not the Hundred Fists + Might Strikes damage?

Besides, I'd think the best way wouldn't be to wait for AV to start using Hundred Fists to start attacking, if you can really kill AV in 60 seconds, I'd just start immediately and hope he does something that won't own everyone in that time.

Blood weapon on AV and JoL doesn't give you HP back lol... And when it does it's small amounts, and by small I mean 1-4 HP and maybe 10 HP on critical hits.

Normal hits with a Kraken club on AV and JoL do just about all 0s, and the only way you get HP back from BW is when you're main weapon is hitting for more than 0 with SE up.

I was just specifically talking about the Hundred Fists scenario since it was used as an example where DRKs could easily go all out with no consequences/risks... And I disagreed with that concept.

Have you ever actually seen kraken drk on JoL? I'm pretty sure all our drks were averaging well over 200dmg/swing on JoL. <------ AV as well...

And the thing with CORs we are practicing more. Hopefully it won't have to rely on COR rolls but if so, so be it.

The thing about drk and cover... if you can't understand how that situation would work then I'm not surprised you disagree with the plan.

[Linsivi]

In addition, your Hundred Fist scenario has one major flaw, being your Kraken DRKs are going to get their faces planted into the ground. I don't know how you can casually say 'all he does is swing' when AV will hit a DRK for around 500 damage an attack, and when he's swinging non-stop he's just going to bury anyone that pulls hate. If you're really going to try to pull this off you're going to need every DRK alive for it, and hundred fists will do just the opposite.

Depends... which is faster, Hundred Fists or Kraken+Blood Weapon? Or will the Blood Weapon only compensate for the Souleater damage, but not the Hundred Fists + Might Strikes damage?

Besides, I'd think the best way wouldn't be to wait for AV to start using Hundred Fists to start attacking, if you can really kill AV in 60 seconds, I'd just start immediately and hope he does something that won't own everyone in that time.

Blood weapon on AV and JoL doesn't give you HP back lol... And when it does it's small amounts, and by small I mean 1-4 HP and maybe 10 HP on critical hits.

Normal hits with a Kraken club on AV and JoL do just about all 0s, and the only way you get HP back from BW is when you're main weapon is hitting for more than 0 with SE up.

I was just specifically talking about the Hundred Fists scenario since it was used as an example where DRKs could easily go all out with no consequences/risks... And I disagreed with that concept.

Have you ever actually seen kraken drk on JoL? I'm pretty sure all our drks were averaging well over 200dmg/swing on JoL. <------ AV as well...

And the thing with CORs we are practicing more. Hopefully it won't have to rely on COR rolls but if so, so be it.

The thing about drk and cover... if you can't understand how that situation would work then I'm not surprised you disagree with the plan.

You should browse his livejournel a bit.

[The Blackrose]

You should browse his livejournel a bit.

Shhh, I was hoping this would be more funny if he didn't!

[Shuemue]

Have you ever actually seen kraken drk on JoL?

Cubana, meet Rukenshin. Welcome to FFXI. He'll be your legend for today.

But seriously, click the link in his sig, he's one of the most knowledgeable people you'll ever discuss the game with.

[pingpong]

Depends... which is faster, Hundred Fists or Kraken+Blood Weapon? Or will the Blood Weapon only compensate for the Souleater damage, but not the Hundred Fists + Might Strikes damage?

It'd compensate for like... 3-4 more damage than the souleater did considering how much the actual kraken does to that stupid thing -_-

Seriously that means you're gonna have 9 PLDs cover 9 DRKs and use their 2 hours? It's not like invincible is gonna hold hate so it's just to hope the DRKs can bring it down fast enough in that minute and not die past the 30 seconds cover's up. His normal melee hits basically faced me in a couple rounds and that's not considering MS or HF, past those 30 seconds your DRKs are gonna evaporate :/

still need to bust invincible on the cover... also you can assign multiple pld per drk... the only question is > how much HP that thing actually has

[Ryko]

Yes I know it was implied to be used in tandem, covering the hate issue for the first half minute.

Unfortunately once those 30 seconds are over...

[NynJa]

I thought it was almost certain that AV has 100k hp, based on some old Benediction screenshots ?