Relic 3x damage formula

[Khamsin]

Kalia's Thief is pretty sick.

lol who is this? I'm going to guess someone I merited with recently?

You can't tell me you wouldn't remember someone named TheDiscoBiscuit. I mean, come on... it's a fucking disco biscuit.

[TheDiscoBiscuit]

Firstly, DiscoBiscuit named after the band.

Secondly, Kuuja from Valefor. New to these forums and saw people knocking your thief lol. For the gear setup and underlvled war sub. I have THF lvled and yeah... /war doesn't too that much more. Good for claiming, and zerk helps, but not needed, imo. Warcry lasts for like 30s and its +10 att? Thats not going to kill anyone.

[Awoir]

Tdizzle, who's the WAR you keep talking about?

[draxyl]

If you want to talk thf/war vs. thf/nin, or stand up for Kalia, this is NOT the place to do it. Take it over here:

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=147263

Not to sound too much like an ass, but I just hate having to read 2 flame wars on the same subject with most of the same participants if I can avoid it

[TheDiscoBiscuit]

#1 This isnt a flame war unless you make it one.

#2 Standing up for Kalia isnt my purpose of posting. Ive seen his THF and its good. Agree with it or not, I dont really care.

#3 Dont read the thread.

[draxyl]

Hello topic - Relic 3x damage formula.

#2 Standing up for Kalia isnt my purpose of posting. Ive seen his THF and its good. Agree with it or not, I dont really care.

So what is your purpose then?

In your two posts above, you said:

Kalia's Thief is pretty sick.

New to these forums and saw people knocking your thief lol

Seems to me the only thing you're doing is standing up for Kalia, which isn't really needed...he does a fine job of defending himself, with lots of #'s, graphs, parses, etc.

[TheDiscoBiscuit]

Uh, my point is that Kalia has a nice thief? Why does that bother you so much?

I did nothing different than anyone else did on the preceding 14 pages. Added input and/or opinions. If you dont like or agree, then deal with it. But stop leaking to me about it. Build a bridge, bro. :wink:

[Khamsin]

If you want to talk thf/war vs. thf/nin, or stand up for Kalia, this is NOT the place to do it. Take it over here:

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=147263

Not to sound too much like an ass, but I just hate having to read 2 flame wars on the same subject with most of the same participants if I can avoid it

Or tell KI to come here. Either way, you still end up condensing it to 1 flame war instead of 2, if that's what you're concerned about.

On second thought... maybe not.

[qatsi2]

Uh, my point is that Kalia has a nice thief?

After spending way too long on this, here's a related anagram:
TheDiscoBiscuit on Kalia's nuts = Sicko nails butt sechs audition

[TheDiscoBiscuit]

Yep, I wanna be just like Kalia. You got it all figured out.

you guys too funny XD


On a serious note, I am pretty happy with my THF, but at the same time, I can at least give credit where credit is due. You can take that how you want^^

[Tdizzle]

Oh, and for the record, I found out why Tdizzle thinks 1k Rampage average is the norm:
According to him, unless you got 2BRD or BRD&COR, your party is gimp.


So yeah.......

Do you ever think before your post? You are the king of taking things out of context or manipulating peoples words and adding your own to make people look bad.

No where have I said 1k is the "norm" I said really good wars can avg around 1k and if you're much below that I dont consider them "good" or "uber" or whatever.

How bout you post something constructive for once instead of trying to make yourself feel cool by anonomously posting retarded flames on the internet.

[NynJa]

Oh, and for the record, I found out why Tdizzle thinks 1k Rampage average is the norm:
According to him, unless you got 2BRD or BRD&COR, your party is gimp.


So yeah.......

Do you ever think before your post? You are the king of taking things out of context or manipulating peoples words and adding your own to make people look bad.

No where have I said 1k is the "norm" I said really good wars can avg around 1k and if you're much below that I dont consider them "good" or "uber" or whatever.

How bout you post something constructive for once instead of trying to make yourself feel cool by anonomously posting retarded flames on the internet.

lol?
And when you said that only really good wars can average 1k, a couple people, people with good reps and top wars said:

1.7k is pretty far from 2k, that's the difference of a DA or two, on top of that 1.7k is damn near all 6 hits critting and possibly a DA on top of that. And no, I'm not talking out of my ass because I have basically everything a WAR could ask for and meritted.

^ What he said, scoring an average of 1k on rampage is pushing it too. You might notice more high's than low's but keeping a 1k+ average is pretty much being pumped full of attack from every angle, especially on trolls.

I agree....1k Rampage average sounds like 2 bards, meat (with double min, double mad)...and lots of double attack and crits...
Seems unlikely on a mob like trolls...

850ish average seems more like normal/reasonable...

A war who average 1000 on rampage is a liar, it's the only thing I can say. Only place where I could believe it is caedeavra mire on imp and jhun, but everywhere else, it's just not possible (maybe 2 brd on puks?)

I'm generally glad when I average 800-850 in xp pt. Even with better gears, there is no way I would pump another 150dmg.

In Thicket's at Mamool camp a WAR can average 1K with Man/Jugg in a 2 BRD party with Red Curry fairly easily but with Man/Ridill best I could get there was 980ish in same conditions and my gear is fairly decent. I have no idea if Mire can produce better numbers, I never xp there but no way could I get a 1K average on trolls since Diamondhide would screw with any WS average unless you specifically were trying to avoid it for the parse at the cost of xp.

Sorry for quote train, but you get my point, your shit was discredited and claimed as inflated or theres more to the story (some people even said that 1k isnt anything special if you got two bards).

Now, when you presented your parses, you showed the wars that broke 1k average, and those parses included TWO BARDS or ONE BARD AND A CORSAIR DOING ENHANCED FIGHTER AND ROGUES ROLL, and the one parse you showed where someone averaged 850, there was *GASP*, only one bard and no corsair.


TWO BARD / BARD&CORSAIR PARTIES ARE NOT THE NORM

[shihei]

this whole derailing needs to remove the dildo from its ass

[Rasengan]

Honestly, I want to know the answer to this:

Tdizzle, who's the WAR you keep talking about?

[Lordwafik]

2 bards certainly isn't a rarity these days Nynja. Back when I used to join pickups, a few of them were even 2 brd pts.

[Alyriel]

I've only had one party in recent memory (6+ months) that only had 1 bard. Of course, everyone wants to merit with me so, it's not that big of a problem for me ^_^

[NynJa]

2 bards certainly isn't a rarity these days Nynja. Back when I used to join pickups, a few of them were even 2 brd pts.

Things must be different there, ppl here dont exactly like playing bard. You usually need to pull teeth to get someone ON bard.

Even in LS merit parties, usually you need to cockblock someone into playing bard. Fortunately for me, I have a 'get out of bard free' card. I think I've had one 2bard party, and it was inter-LS. One of the bards was getting xp(started at 74 I think), and I dont even remember who the other was.

[Lordwafik]

ack that sucks, our LS bards are usually shouting at us saying "We need dual relic merits NOW"

We usually end up brd brd rdm relic relic <misc>.

[divisortheory]

Is the level difference floored in the calculation? Like if I'm level 75 and the mob is level 1, how do I calculate my level corrected Atk/Def ratio?

[VZX]

Is the level difference floored in the calculation? Like if I'm level 75 and the mob is level 1, how do I calculate my level corrected Atk/Def ratio?

if mob is lower level than you, level difference penalty is not applied
otherwise, level difference penalty is applied on atk/def value with 3 digit accuracy (0.050)