Relic 3x damage formula

[aurik]

I'd like to see evidence of that.

[Vobent]

I can honestly say I'm an idiot.

Guess I read it wrong.

[Dammerung]

I can honestly say I'm an idiot.

But, uh..the more STR/atk you load up on the more your 3x hit procs right?
Flame rings for TP arn't so lol any more..heh

huh?
STR/atk increase the proc rate of triple damage?

He meant an incrase to the damage you do when a x3 proc goes off.

[Khamsin]

So relic 3x damage formula is the same as for a normal critical hit?

So, in essence, it may as well say "Enhances Rate of Critical Hits" on the weapon?

Unless an actual +% crit rate would be treated differently.

[LD]

Well, they work independently of each other, don't they?
If it was simply an enhanced crit, Mandau would be rather broken, wouldn't it?

[Starr]

Before you ask, yes my WAR sub is 29, and no I don't care.

Wow. So many people getting relics without their sub jobs even levelled or having a clue about the job (Chiz).

[Sidanoir]

I know you apparently don't care but I have to ask anyway...

You have 11M gil which is pretty rich nowadays......

You seem to spend a lot of time on FFXI stuff (parser, math etc.)

You have a relic..

So obviously you are in to this game..

Why then do you have a gimped SJ and pretty horrible gear? I would think someone who likes the game as much as you would try to have the best in everything....I just don't understand the philosophy...
You obviously have the gil to get some better gear...
And finishing your WAR would be something you can do extremely quick...

I'm sorry I just fail to see your logic and fail to see why you don't care when you seem to care a lot about this game.

[Suiram]

I imagine the gear he was wearing was just the +attack gear he happened to own, for the purposes of capping PDIF (? I think that's it; I'm not a melee damage formula buff, maybe just to guarantee that he consistently hits the cap for critical hits, either way, he was clearly going for as much attack as he could get) against the test subject. I thought it was an interesting test and unfortunate if people use the data as a basis to mock him for other stuff.

[archibaldcrane]

So relic 3x damage formula is the same as for a normal critical hit?

So, in essence, it may as well say "Enhances Rate of Critical Hits" on the weapon?

Unless an actual +% crit rate would be treated differently.

No, it's essentially the opposite of a critical hit. Critical hits enhance the pDIF range of the damage function - 3x damage from relic doesn't touch pDIF, it triples the other half - the "DMG" part (WDMG+fSTR). You can have 3x hits without crits and vice-versa - they are completely independent of each other.

[Sidanoir]

I imagine the gear he was wearing was just the +attack gear he happened to own, for the purposes of capping PDIF (? I think that's it; I'm not a melee damage formula buff) against the test subject. I thought it was an interesting test and unfortunate if people use the data as a basis to mock him for other stuff.

I am not mocking him, I think its cool that he is active and into the game and puts time into stuff like this..

I just really dont get his logic and why he wouldnt care when he likes the game so much seemingly..

[Suiram]

But I mean, did you honestly think his normal THF gear was republic subligar and a mighty ring? I just thought it wasn't very charitable of you. As for the sub, sure, I'm the kind of guy who likes to have all his subs maxed too, but not like he's the first Mandau THF on these forums with an under-levelled WAR sub.

[Sidanoir]

But I mean, did you honestly think his normal THF gear was republic subligar and a mighty ring? I just thought it wasn't very charitable of you. As for the sub, sure, I'm the kind of guy who likes to have all his subs maxed too, but not like he's the first Mandau THF on these forums with an under-levelled WAR sub.

I sure hope not :O and I doubt thats the case...just curious as to why he is so indifferent about being "gimped"...yet so into the mechanics of the game.

[NynJa]

But I mean, did you honestly think his normal THF gear was republic subligar and a mighty ring? I just thought it wasn't very charitable of you. As for the sub, sure, I'm the kind of guy who likes to have all his subs maxed too, but not like he's the first Mandau THF on these forums with an under-levelled WAR sub.

I sure hope not :O and I doubt thats the case...just curious as to why he is so indifferent about being "gimped"...yet so into the mechanics of the game.

not everyone gives a fuck about ZOMG WHIET BORDER.

[divisortheory]

level your sub and stop using sardonyx rings.

It's not a Sardonyx Ring. Thanks for playing though. As someone else pointed out, it was obviously a clear attempt to wear as much +Atk gear as possible. Republic Subligar, duh! Spike Earrings, duh! Swordbelt+1, duh!

To the person who asked about the gil, 11m may be rich nowadays, but I never spend gil on anything. All the money I have now is carried over from when 11m was chump change, the only thing I buy is Hedgehog Pies for merit parties, silent oils and ninja tools, and all the +Atk gear for this test.

As I've said many times about my WAR sub, I don't level it because frankly I think it blows, and the only thing I find it useful for is claiming Fafnir. I don't like the playstyle in merit parties, and purely from a utility perspective, I have absolutely nothing to gain from levelling it aside from "not looking gimp to the FFXI community", which quite frankly isn't exactly a high priority.

Now, since this thread isn't about subjobs, back to the issue at hand.

I did a few tests on my GK's crit crap too, I don't have snazzy pictures but my crit cap was 316. Then, when the 2.5 damage landed it capped at 786. Not sure if those numbers help too!

Your fSTR was Floor(88/9) + 8 = 17, and your crit cap was actually (88 + 17)*3 = 315. Applying my relic modified formula

[((88 + 17)*2.5)*3] = 787.5. A little bit off, so instead do the rounding at an earlier step and it works out.

So the relic modified formula would actually be
[Floor[(D + fSTR)*k] + p*DEX + q*AGI] * pDIF

where k is your relic modifier (3x, 2.5x, etc), and p and q are described in a previous post

[inafume]

If you're using it at Fafnir, you'll know that the attack bonus @ 30 and Warcry @ 35 help with your damage, unless you're like lolchiz and have a personal bard guaranteed to be there. ;p

[divisortheory]

If you're using it at Fafnir, you'll know that the attack bonus @ 30 and Warcry @ 35 help with your damage, unless you're like lolchiz and have a personal bard guaranteed to be there. ;p

Meat helps more, and does it really make a difference anyway when using it vs. not using parses a difference of about 150 damage during the entire fight, since 99% of the damage is coming from BLMs? There's typically at least one person in my party who is alraedy using Warcry anyway, and the Attack Bonus is what? +10 Attack or something?

[Starr]

As I've said many times about my WAR sub, I don't level it because frankly I think it blows, and the only thing I find it useful for is claiming Fafnir.

So for popped stuff like Kirin & Jailers you sub NIN?

[divisortheory]

Scared me for a second, I saw a new post in the thread and thought you had something to say about this topic

[Izzy]

what i dont understand, is why you're mocking a person who is spending his own personal time, for no gain, to figure out the mechanics of something that nobody understands yet.

stfu seriously. when you have your own relic, you feel free to mock and ridicule him while wearing your flame rings and shit and doing all these tests. but, until you do, and you probley never will, shut the fuck up.

[Starr]

Sorry, it doesn't mean much to me not being a relic holder and all but I'm disappointed after looking up to you as a THF