Relic 3x damage formula

[Orph]

Do you even read the thread?

[TB]

So whats next? SAM without WAR sub, that they it sucks and THF sub is far better because they can do "ZOMG 300 SA KASHA" on Tiamat?

Oh, wait a sec...

[Vedder]

For you all that can't "understand" divisor's WAR sub... you should feel lucky. It's not your character! So you can go to bed tonight free of worry.

Anyway... that formula is pretty neat. I think someone needs to teach a FFXI Math class. So much cool stuff. :D

[divisortheory]

I'm disappointed after looking up to you as a THF

Sorry if I let you down, lol. But it's no secret that my WAR sub wasn't levelled, nor has it ever been a secret. I guess you have to question why your ideals depend on such meaningless measures as whether or not someone has a particular sub levelled even when they don't like using that sub. for sky gods I still prefer /NIN. Why? Because if I'm eating meat and I use a quick Feint on the mob, I can still produce higher numbers on WS than if I were using any other sub in the game, due to the offhand hit and the possibility of a Triple Attack on the offhand. It's hard to imagine to anyone who doesn't have the weapon at their disposal, but switching to full time Mercy Stroke requires a largely different playstyle than before the weapon skill was accessible. It took me a few weeks with the mandau before I was able to start outparsing people in merit parties, but after getting used to it, I can now outparse just about anyone except a well equipped Ridill WAR, with the occasional extremely well equipped random melee who I go back and forth with. I recently parsed a merit PT where I actually did go /WAR, and my average WS was around 1,050 compared to when I went /NIN against the same mobs and my average WS was over 1,500. It goes back to the DoT vs. epeen argument, but frankly when you've been playing this game as long as I have, I want epeen screenshots.

The /NIN and high WS argument applies for almost all Jailers except I don't even need Feint becuse their evasion is already low. For Jailer of Love and Tiamat (even though we rarely do Tiamat anymore) I'm usually helping pull adds, so /NIN helps prevent me from dying on the way home from the pull.

The only place where the argument holds any water at all is on mobs that I often hit for 0, and the only thing that comes to mind at the moment is Kirin. In any situation where you're fighting mobs that you don't hit for 0 on, it's purely a matter of playstyle and personal preference. Imposing one's own playstyle and preferences on someone else in such a haughty pedagogical manner as many people like to do, when they don't even have firsthand experience with the subject they're talking about (namely, /WAR vs /NIN with a mandau) is just as bad or worse than their image of how I must be in my strong preference towards /NIN.


The debate is tired and old, but the bottom line is that even if I did level it to 37, I would almost never use it for the simple reason that I don't like it and I don't have as much fun playing it as I do other subs. And I play this game to have fun, not to conform to meaningless standards or expectations that I don't necessarily agree with.

[ono]

Just d-box w/ TZ one weekend and cap the sub :E

[divisortheory]

Just d-box w/ TZ one weekend and cap the sub :E

When my MNK gets to 59 I plan to

[Mifaco]

BAWWWWWWW I PLAY THIS GAME TO HAVE FUN Y R U GIMPS LAUGHING AT ME DONT CRITICIZE MY PLAYSTYLE

P.S.: Attack Bonus is level 30. I'm sure the irony didn't escape you as you were busy buying all +attack gear possible.

[divisortheory]

BAWWWWWWW I PLAY THIS GAME TO HAVE FUN Y R U GIMPS LAUGHING AT ME DONT CRITICIZE MY PLAYSTYLE

P.S.: Attack Bonus is level 30. I'm sure the irony didn't escape you as you were busy buying all +attack gear possible.

P.S. I know how to use the wiki. Ohnoez I spent an extra 65k on a Swordbelt+1 that I could have done without.

[Kaiseran]

Before you ask, yes my WAR sub is 29, and no I don't care. This thread is about information, so if you have nothing to contribute other than OMG YOU'RE A STUPID NOOB, the door is that way

All I can focus on is the 29WAR....I can't seem to read anything else so.....

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[divisortheory]

I can't seem to read anything

People who refuse to learn make me sad

[NynJa]

I can't seem to read anything

People who refuse to learn make me sad

he's black...

[Lysithea]

level your sub and stop using sardonyx rings.

As I've said many times about my WAR sub, I don't level it because frankly I think it blows, and the only thing I find it useful for is claiming Fafnir. I don't like the playstyle in merit parties, and purely from a utility perspective, I have absolutely nothing to gain from levelling it aside from "not looking gimp to the FFXI community", which quite frankly isn't exactly a high priority.

Um... if you were capping out attack...

30 WAR gets an attack bonus...

35 WAR gets Warcry...

and since yours is 29 wouldn't lvling it to at least 35 help your test/capping Attack, as well getting the extra STR?

otherwise nice testing.

[divisortheory]

Um... if you were capping out attack...

30 WAR gets an attack bonus...

35 WAR gets Warcry...

wouldn't that help your test/capping Attack?

Yea, but buying a few pieces of gear from the AH takes less than a few days.

[NynJa]

level your sub and stop using sardonyx rings.

As I've said many times about my WAR sub, I don't level it because frankly I think it blows, and the only thing I find it useful for is claiming Fafnir. I don't like the playstyle in merit parties, and purely from a utility perspective, I have absolutely nothing to gain from levelling it aside from "not looking gimp to the FFXI community", which quite frankly isn't exactly a high priority.

Um... if you were capping out attack...

30 WAR gets an attack bonus...

35 WAR gets Warcry...

and since yours is 29 wouldn't lvling it to at least 35 help your test/capping Attack, as well getting the extra STR?

otherwise nice testing.

Warcry is on a 5 min timer and only lasts 30 seconds...

I personally only use thf/war at kirin or most HNM's. I would never use it in merit since it'd just get me killed.


Although I firmly believe that war is one of those jobs that everyone should have lvled to 37, as are whm (38 even) and nin.

[Aangeliceus]

The intelligent people are sitting back analyzing the data.... And generating intelligent responses.

The morons are harping on the subjob.... Because they have nothing intelligent to add.

/sigh

[divisortheory]

I would never use it in merit since it'd just get me killed.

Depends. When I used /WAR in merits the other day for the purposes of testing I had no problem staying alive. We had a good WHM though and a Gjallarhorn, so healing was never an issue. On the other hand, I wasn't happy with my parse results and I think I would have parsed higher on /NIN. And it wasn't because of -10 Attack from not being Lv. 30 either. It's just that close to 50% of my damage comes from Mercy Stroke, and when you're gimping it so much, I don't think Berserk and Double Attack is near enough to compensate. I'll parse against Archain one of these days with him on /WAR to settle it once and for all. He beats me by about 1% when we're both on /NIN

[Mifaco]

BAWWWWWWW I PLAY THIS GAME TO HAVE FUN Y R U GIMPS LAUGHING AT ME DONT CRITICIZE MY PLAYSTYLE

P.S.: Attack Bonus is level 30. I'm sure the irony didn't escape you as you were busy buying all +attack gear possible.

P.S. I know how to use the wiki. Ohnoez I spent an extra 65k on a Swordbelt+1 that I could have done without.

Hey guys, I /checked divisortheory, and I actually got to see his Mandau!

Mandau
DMG: 39 Delay: 176 Attack +20
Additional effect: Poison
"Mercy Stroke"
Occasionally emits debilitating psychowaves that severely limit the user's Intelligence.
Lv.75 RDM/THF/BRD

[divisortheory]

Mandau
DMG: 39 Delay: 176 Attack +20
Additional effect: Poison
"Mercy Stroke"
Occasionally emits debilitating psychowaves that severely limit the user's Intelligence.
Lv.75 RDM/THF/BRD

Mifaco
Labyrinth of Onzozo: Occasionally warps to Mysticmaker Profblix

[Lysithea]

-.- i'm noting on the sub, for the attack bonus since that is what he was going for and even being a five minute ability can still do other tests otherwise using /DRK for Souleater Last Resort and the attack bonus that they get. Combining the gear that he bought plus the attack bonus and the other job abilites to even see if they would trigger the triple damage on the dagger would be nice to see no? or did i completely miss the formula with have the max STR and Attack?

[Mifaco]

Mandau
DMG: 39 Delay: 176 Attack +20
Additional effect: Poison
"Mercy Stroke"
Occasionally emits debilitating psychowaves that severely limit the user's Intelligence.
Lv.75 RDM/THF/BRD

Mifaco
Labyrinth of Onzozo: Occasionally warps to Mysticmaker Profblix

Ooooh, nice comeback. I'm going to pull the "I'm not the one who wasted his linkshell's time and dynamis currency" card. going to school now, later.

P.S. Level your sub, gimp.