Relic 3x damage formula

[divisortheory]

-.- i'm noting on the sub, for the attack bonus since that is what he was going for and even being a five minute ability can still do other tests otherwise using /DRK for Souleater Last Resort and the attack bonus that they get. Combining the gear that he bought plus the attack bonus and the other job abilites to even see if they would trigger the triple damage on the dagger would be nice to see no? or did i completely miss the formula with have the max STR and Attack?

I had more than enough Attack already, and even some of the gear I bought was probably unnecessary. When a mob's defense is like 20, you don't need much attack to reach the cap, so Warcry and/or Lv. 30 Attack Bonus would have done little if anything. You can show mathematically that my Sneak Attack cap was 432, and I hit for 432 over 50% of the time already.

[NynJa]

When I used /WAR in merits the other day for the purposes of testing I had no problem staying alive.

Page 24 of the 30 sec bahamut thread:

in this parse here.......
...What you are unable to deduce from the parse is the following:
the line "of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage" appears around 60 times, the line "Copy Image effect wears off" appears 10 times, the line "misses Nynja" appears 37 times, though twice was proceeded by "Copy Image effect wears off", so 35 times, and the line "hits nynja for" appears 10 times. Of those 10 hits that successfully hit me, they were all from Colibri, 2 were without protect for 199 and 205 damage, the other 8 ranged between 119 and 191 damage, with an average of 146. This parse lasted around 30-35 minutes, guaging based on when I recieved protect and when it wore off (it was never reapplied).

In 30 minutes, I had 105 hits directed at me, this is not counting WS's. Going off my small sample of evading 37 hits out of 107 melee strikes directed at me, thats an evade rate of 34%, lets say 1/3. a 1/3 evade rate is pathetic. Now, onto my shadows. They migitated damage from 60 hits. SIXTY. Going on the average damage of 146 per strike (bugards hit much harder for the record), that's me migitating 8760 damage in 30-35 minutes.

Show me a rdm who can handle that extra mp load, and I'll show you a Mifaco who doesnt teleport into Mysticmaker's lap.

[divisortheory]

Show me a rdm who can handle that extra mp load, and I'll show you a Mifaco who doesnt teleport into Mysticmaker's lap.

lol. I was taking a ton of hate also actually, but like I said our WHM was really good and we had a Gjallarhorn in the PT, so he was always on top of the cures and never had a problem with MP. A few times he got close to running out of MP, so when he started getting low I'd hold TP until Trick Attack was up and just TA+WS onto a random NIN or /NIN.

[NynJa]

so when he started getting low I'd hold TP until Trick Attack was up and just TA+WS onto a random NIN or /NIN.

I cant do that, ever. its lost damage, and its not like the extra TP is going to benefit me whatsoever.

I allready dont believe that MS has a hidden crit rate up, so the fact that the duration or potency of the crit rate up is based no TP is nil to me.

[divisortheory]

I'm going to pull the "I'm not the one who wasted his linkshell's time and dynamis currency" card. going to school now, later.

I'm going to pull the "I'm not the one who wasted his parent's money" card since you clearly prefer not to learn.

[aurik]

When I used /WAR in merits the other day for the purposes of testing I had no problem staying alive.

Page 24 of the 30 sec bahamut thread:

in this parse here.......
...What you are unable to deduce from the parse is the following:
the line "of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage" appears around 60 times, the line "Copy Image effect wears off" appears 10 times, the line "misses Nynja" appears 37 times, though twice was proceeded by "Copy Image effect wears off", so 35 times, and the line "hits nynja for" appears 10 times. Of those 10 hits that successfully hit me, they were all from Colibri, 2 were without protect for 199 and 205 damage, the other 8 ranged between 119 and 191 damage, with an average of 146. This parse lasted around 30-35 minutes, guaging based on when I recieved protect and when it wore off (it was never reapplied).

In 30 minutes, I had 105 hits directed at me, this is not counting WS's. Going off my small sample of evading 37 hits out of 107 melee strikes directed at me, thats an evade rate of 34%, lets say 1/3. a 1/3 evade rate is pathetic. Now, onto my shadows. They migitated damage from 60 hits. SIXTY. Going on the average damage of 146 per strike (bugards hit much harder for the record), that's me migitating 8760 damage in 30-35 minutes.

Show me a rdm who can handle that extra mp load, and I'll show you a Mifaco who doesnt teleport into Mysticmaker's lap.

I xpd the other day as mnk/war nin/war thf/war, and we had no mp problem, shrug.

[Lordwafik]

Show me a rdm who can handle that extra mp load, and I'll show you a Mifaco who doesnt teleport into Mysticmaker's lap.

Wottles on Asura. Give him a bard and he's invulnerable to anything and everything.

[draxyl]

Probably better hate sharing when everyone goes /war, thf/war w/ relic pulls a ton of hate on Colibri I assume...particularly if they are doing SAWS over TAWS.

NICE info divisortheory, happy someone followed through on Ludo's observation.

[Alyriel]

Kalia, as much as my LS-mates might disagree with me, my name is not "Gjallarhorn"


Edit: Complete flip around... I edited my sig, I am now a 75Gjallarhorn ^_^

[Senoska]

Show me a rdm who can handle that extra mp load, and I'll show you a Mifaco who doesnt teleport into Mysticmaker's lap.

Wottles on Asura. Give him a bard and he's invulnerable to anything and everything.

except says, those undoubtedly defeat him

[Lordwafik]

Actually read the whole thread this time.

Thanks to divisor for actually finding a nice formula out from ludo's post, but I do disagree with this :

The debate is tired and old, but the bottom line is that even if I did level it to 37, I would almost never use it for the simple reason that I don't like it and I don't have as much fun playing it as I do other subs. And I play this game to have fun, not to conform to meaningless standards or expectations that I don't necessarily agree with.

How can you say that if you don't have it to lvl37? Of course parsing as a /29 war vs everyone is will give you a less parse result , because your sub isn't even levelled. /war gives more STR than /nin will on mercy. You miss out on the offhand hit sure, you don't get the mega hits as frequent as /nin, but you will on occasion. What i've noticed from going /war is Mercy's dmg average moves up a notch, you don't hit stupid lows on mercy like you can on occasion with /nin.

I used to say the same thing about /war, but my reasoning was I was just too lazy to get it to /37, at the end I bit the bullet, levelled it properly to 37 (well got it PL'd on goblin spiders ^_^) and it was one of the best things I could do for my thief.

Here's a few snips from aurik's LJ

http://aurik-ffxi.livejournal.com/24617.html#cutid1

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9...07parseqh6.png

Fourth, my WS was 25% of my damage share, Wafik at 35%, Kran at 23%, all good #s for meat eaters. Shows that we are focussing on our melee damage first, which is the lion's share of all our damage.

That fits in to my playstyle on /war. As /war I try to pump up my TP dmg as much as possible, because most of the time you can dish more dmg while tp'ing than on WS.

Note the high / avg / low on WS. Those lows were from me spamming DE or Evis when the mob had low HP to finish chains off. I'd do higher dmg if I could eat anything other than mithkabobs at that camp without the little birds munching from my esophagus.

[Mattthemaster]

What job/gear was krandor in that party?

[divisortheory]

How can you say that if you don't have it to lvl37? Of course parsing as a /29 war vs everyone is will give you a less parse result , because your sub isn't even levelled. /war gives more STR than /nin will on mercy. You miss out on the offhand hit sure, you don't get the mega hits as frequent as /nin, but you will on occasion. What i've noticed from going /war is Mercy's dmg average moves up a notch, you don't hit stupid lows on mercy like you can on occasion with /nin.

That's the exact reason I'd like to parse against Archain while I'm THF/NIN and he's THF/WAR. In the end, even if the parse is comparable or even a tad higher as /WAR I just don't enjoy /WAR. Call me a Melee SMN lol, but if I can get comparable results with a SJ I strongly prefer even if it's for cosmetic reasons alone, I'm just gonna find myself using that SJ.

[draxyl]

What job/gear was krandor in that party?

Nin/war, he has pretty good meritpo gear. Just going against a relic thf and relic mnk aren't fair The really insane thing in that parse is Aurik, Wafik gets a nice damage bonus from piercing at that camp on half the mobs...but Aurik is still a healthy chunk ahead.

[divisortheory]

BTW, Counter% of 41% is fairly ridiculous, lol. I'm guessing that's because of the Spharai.

[Mattthemaster]

What job/gear was krandor in that party?

Nin/war, he has pretty good meritpo gear. Just going against a relic thf and relic mnk aren't fair

Ah. For a sec I thought it was his pld and I was going to cry.

[aurik]

BTW, Counter% of 41% is fairly ridiculous, lol. I'm guessing that's because of the Spharai.

Imagine if I had 85+ accuracy (2nd bard)...

Anyway, good info. Also explains why the triple-effect doesn't end up with numbers always divisible by 3.

DT I suggest you invest in some XP scrolls lol, it's a fairly painless way to go about levelling shite jobs. It's how I did my whm 30-37.

[hotpiercedguy]

Even if you think /WAR sucks and you'd barely use it, I think by princable alone you should have it at 37.

It reminds me of RDM's who say "I am only taking blm to 37 since whm sub sucks end game"

A GOOD thf ideally should have WAR SAM DRK WHM all at 37 (maybe even some others)

Just my 2 gil


And I say all this having Dynamis Dagger and about 3k into next stage. Yeah I know it's not Mandau but its more than a start.

[Buzer]

A GOOD thf ideally should have WAR SAM DRK WHM all at 37 (maybe even some others)

Dunno about you, but I would have NIN leveled as sub for sure.

[NynJa]

BTW, Counter% of 41% is fairly ridiculous, lol. I'm guessing that's because of the Spharai.

Counterstance, not Spharai.