Religion.

[BRP]

Leave the Anna Nicole Smith alone.

Here is some fuel for this fire.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... Camp&hl=en

Heaven or Science.

Let's Rock!

[Kiro]

Science. What has heaven done for us lately?!

[Kuya]

I belive both sides are cocks for caring what the other side cares about.

[Kayu]

video was removed XD

[BRP]

Fixing right now.

[Sanoske]

Science. What has heaven done for us lately?!

I'm here. Amirite?!

Bored and it's late. -.-

[Damen]

ugh i cant stand to listen to people talk about religion for an hour and a half.

I believe in god...but I certainly don't believe in the Bible or organized religion.

religious topics are as fun as politics when it comes to people disagreeing/arguing/getting their panties in a bundle

[BRP]

My biggest problem with religion that it doesn't change. Science is all about learning knowledge and replacing false theories with proven right ones. Religion is the focus on a document that was written from one point of view. Now, by itself Religion isn't so much a problem, because when people who I would called sensible take the material and make their own point of view based on their own life(it no longer becomes one point of view). However, the majority of religion is based simply believing all legends/myths/stories without any progression or change.

We have learned that the Earth is not flat. That our solar system is not geocentric. We learned about Gravity and Relativity.

When the Bible and many other books were being written they were mainly explanations for things that humans couldn't explain at the time. The sun, the moon, life, death, sneezing, ect, ect. Much like the Greeks thought Zeus was throwing thunderbolts during thunderstorms, most of the 'facts' listed in the Bible were simply myth to make up for the lack of science.

Many religions should stop and think for a moment... think real hard. Christians need to realize that the book they preach is over 2000 years old. Who knows how many times it could have been edited from the original word, by the Romans or English. They've become more attached to the Bible than what the Bible represents.

As if it isn't enough that mythological creatures and stories, including a copy of Gilgamesh, being in the Bible could disprove it. The book is myth. It has nothing to do with an afterlife or God being real, its just the book has been proven wrong.

[Syn]

ugh i cant stand to listen to people talk about religion for an hour and a half.

I believe in god...but I certainly don't believe in the Bible or organized religion.

religious topics are as fun as politics when it comes to people disagreeing/arguing/getting their panties in a bundle

I believe there's a higher power, different people likes to call it differently, God, Buddha, Allah, fate, destiny, whatever. I like to call it the invisible hand in the sky.

[Damen]

ugh i cant stand to listen to people talk about religion for an hour and a half.

I believe in god...but I certainly don't believe in the Bible or organized religion.

religious topics are as fun as politics when it comes to people disagreeing/arguing/getting their panties in a bundle

I believe there's a higher power, different people likes to call it differently, God, Buddha, Allah, fate, destiny, whatever. I like to call it the invisible hand in the sky.

I agree to this. I don't try to understand god, and I'm not even sure it's a deity to be honest, but I do like to believe it is something reminiscent to something similar to the current Christan god. Pretty sure god whatever he/she/it might be, is powerful enough to be different things to different people.

I don't believe in the Bible because it's a book written by man. I don't care if it was supposedly the word of god. The point of the matter is that it's a book written by man, for man, and potientially(and more than likely) corrupted by man.

I almost lost my life in a car accident, I can't help to imagine I didn't have help from above after seeing my car. But even with that, I still don't believe in religion haha.

[Quicklet]

My biggest problem with religion that it doesn't change. Science is all about learning knowledge and replacing false theories with proven right ones. Religion is the focus on a document that was written from one point of view. Now, by itself Religion isn't so much a problem, because when people who I would called sensible take the material and make their own point of view based on their own life(it no longer becomes one point of view). However, the majority of religion is based simply believing all legends/myths/stories without any progression or change.

The irony is that scientific establishments often have as much dogmatism as religious establishments. Good luck trying to get research grants if you have a theory that would disprove the work of the people who are in charge of giving out grants.

Maybe it's a generational thing. People get used to having a certain view of life both in science and spirituality, and they don't want to change because they don't want to feel like they've been wrong all that time, or they feel like they don't need to change.

[BRP]

Oh yeah, above all else, people are shitty bastards.

[Epical]

Didn't we have a huge 20 page thread about this and things like it a while back?

[Intense]

I believe in God, whether people call me religious is up to them.

[Xavier]

Oh yeah, above all else, people are shitty bastards.

If theres one thing you can count on in life, its that the above quote holds true.

[Eaglestrike]

My biggest problem with religion that it doesn't change.

This is true and untrue.

It is true in that the message from something like the Bible does not change. It is untrue to say Christians don't alter their theories on things throughout the time (usually a century or two after science changes).

The mistake people make while approaching the Bible are normally one of two things: Either you think it gives you all the answers or you think someone else believes it does. But these are mistakes. For the first side, it doesn't, for the second, don't listen to others with such a closed mind about religion.

Don't take the Bible literally, this should be a pretty obvious mistake seeing how it has been translated to other languages and the only way it could ever be taken literally is if you read it in its original language. Even then a number of older books were not exactly written down right away. So much in the Bible were simply metaphors and authors speaking figuratively.

Now, since this is supposed to be about creation, I'll go into my stance on it. I don't believe the 7-day story happened. However, I do believe it's possible. If there is an omnipotent, omniscient being, you can't exactly rule out anything. If you were that being, how would you explain to a nomadic group of people who have never constructed a school how the world was created? Think you'd jump into advanced biology? I didn't think so. And about Leviticus and such, I haven't skimmed through it all, but I'd like to see someone with more knowledge than I to go through it and think about any potential health hazards that have come from doing what that group of people were told not to do. I know not eating seafood and meat with blood in it are things there, both health hazards that hell we're still dealing with today with all of our fancy technology and education.

I take the Bible as somewhat of a moral guide to life, but you need to understand the morals involved in the stories and lives of those in the Bible to be able to apply them to your current life. Like I'm sure most here, I can't stand most forms of organized religion, the rules annoy me to no end, but that doesn't effect my faith. It makes a lot more sense to me that there was randomly a supernatural all-powerful being that set everything into motion than everything just randomly showed up and millions of years later there are somehow beings capable of more than survival instinct looking back on the past. And so far I have found no flaw in the Bible so I run with that.

[Lordwafik]

lol @ people who think religion is meant to be taken literally instead of metaphoric.

Religion is a guide, apply it to your current times, not follow how people 2000 years ago lived because that's just silly.

[Mr.City]

I don't forsee good things for this thread.

[Gares]

I didn't bother reading all these posts here but I have spiritual beliefs and to sum it up I'll put it like this.

There's a good afterlife and a bad afterlife. There are numerous and almost endless paths to achieve one or the other, and certain things you do can cancel each other out when tallying up your fate.

I've never been dead. So I welcome any comments of "You don't know wtf you're talking about." This is just my beliefs which are subject to change at any time throughout my life. But I've thought about it for a long time and this is a small portion of what I've come up with.

I think I'm justified to state my opinion just because I'm an average living breathing person. I look for God. I look for signs of intelligent design. Is this all an accident? Did we just oops blow up into existence? I think the big bang happened, but I think something built the bomb and lit the fuse too.

Here's an interesting question I once heard. "Where were you when the universe was created?" That one will make ya pace around the room. I started to believe in God the more I learned about the universe. It all just seems to add up to a higher level that none of us will ever comprehend until they experience it first hand. The universe is larger than probably anyone in here can begin to comprehend and it is expanding at a rate that would make you shit yourself inside out.


There's way too many questions out there and I have a conscience. My inner voice tells me what is right & wrong in my eyes, it all goes back to existence of a soul, or something that sets us apart from beasts. Our capacity for the ability to reason.

I think it's safe to say mankind was given a gift, but we are by no means the high all powerful authority over this universe. We may think we are at times, but nothing is further from the truth.

I also think the good afterlife as well as the bad afterlife have a wide variety of reward/consequence based on what we did. For instance the better you do in life, the higher up the ladder of Heaven you climb upon arrival. Maybe you have more freedom in Heaven, although I assume the lowest level of freedom in Heaven is still the beyond wildest dreams. Maybe it's all too complicated for any of us to understand. And I think I'll stick to that. For now don't worry about the afterlife, focus on what we can do here, now. That is what will define the afterlife for each & everyone of us.

Multiple Edits Later: Here's another one. Taken out of context from the Mothman Prophecies. A lot of people want to say, why doesn't God reveal himself? Why doesn't he reach out and appear and tell me that he exists.

"You're smarter than a cockroach, have you ever tried explaining yourself to one?"

Another way I like to think of God came from the same movie.

"If you're standing on the sidewalk and you look both ways down the street, you only see so far. If you're standing hundreds of feet up at a vantage point on a building, you see a lot further, a lot more people, a lot more things, a greater distance."

I think there is a point like that in this universe or another and God has that point, the throne. The control center, the everything, the all knowing point, and God controls it. That's why he's referred to as God.

[Mr.City]

I like to believe in religion because the thought of no afterlife scares me. As selfish as it sounds, I don't want to simply fade away into nothingness after I die.