Fluid Spread and Barwater

[Aerides]

except when you run in to cast barwatera for no good reason and get owned by fluid spread

Have the bard do it, we're already up there getting owned and it doesn't ever do much. Might as well go with our weak ass version and keep the whm far away.

[Alvinho]

Or you could cast it before the mob has tp/arrives. >.>

[Suiram]

Could cast barblindra too, which I hear is also effective against "water-based physical damage".

[Khamsin]

Just remember: Baraera for Fafnir's wings, Barwatera for Slime's Fluid Spread, Barfira for Mijin Gakure and you can't go wrong!

Wing damage isn't wind based...

Nor is Fluid Spread water based.

It's more of a placebo effect.

[Alvinho]

Could cast barblindra too, which I hear is also effective against "water-based physical damage".

Yeah, you go ahead and do that.

[Suiram]

No need, I already take 0 damage from water-based physical attacks.

[Alvinho]

Check your delivery box. I sent a cookie.

[fantasticdan]

mijin is it's own kind of dmg, doesn't count as your typical elemental dmg, go mijin on JoTemperance and it'll actually do dmg. Meteor i think is considered as special dmg too.

Does spirits within work on it? I'm not familar with the jailers.

I always thought mijin worked like a breath attack; resistable with corresponding elemental resist, and damage lowered with direct magic dmg reduction gear, but unaffected by MDB.

[Sesar]

It's better to have Horrid Roar take some useless barspell off than it is to take of Protect, Shell, or any other useful buff though.

[Mifaco]

protect is not a useful buff

[Jeryhn]

protect is not a useful buff

Is this why you said this in this thread?

having Shell5 and not having Pro5 to match it is stupid. Get both or get none at all, don't look stupid by halfassing whm

[Chupunpupun]

protect is not a useful buff

Is this why you said this in this thread?

having Shell5 and not having Pro5 to match it is stupid. Get both or get none at all, don't look stupid by halfassing whm

wwwwwwwwwwwww

[Kedra]

Whilst it appears to be a physical attack, we tested this camping and during the Jelly Ring NM Fight.

Without Barwatera I was getting hit for 350+ with Fluid Spread and with it I was getting hit for 100 or so on my whm, the nin I was with also saw a massive reduction in damage when it was up.

So whether or not this is a physical attack, barwatera certainly makes a lot of difference

[Metah]

protect is not a useful buff

Is this why you said this in this thread?

having Shell5 and not having Pro5 to match it is stupid. Get both or get none at all, don't look stupid by halfassing whm

HAHA OH WOW

[Umbra]

I'm led to believe that Fluid Spread is a physical AOE attack (judging solely on the fact that it can be evaded), and as such has no magical properties

magic-based TP moves can be evaded as far I can remember. As for Fluid spread, I believe it is physical due to the fact that it can interrupt spells.

Spell interruption is a good way to test whether something is physical or not. I used to test this often, and found out I was right most of the time with the addition of BLU spells (1k needles is bizarre, it seems like it has its own rules, given it's listed as magical, can't interrupt spells, but is reduced by physical damage -% gear).

As for Mijin, I don't think MDB, barfire, or anything else has an effect on it. You'll notice in Dynamis for example, that people take relatively the same damage. You won't see some people "resist" while others take full damage, as if this were commonly the case, it would be clear that barfire is having some kind of effect.

[aurik]

I'm led to believe that Fluid Spread is a physical AOE attack (judging solely on the fact that it can be evaded), and as such has no magical properties

magic-based TP moves can be evaded as far I can remember. As for Fluid spread, I believe it is physical due to the fact that it can interrupt spells.

Spell interruption is a good way to test whether something is physical or not. I used to test this often, and found out I was right most of the time with the addition of BLU spells (1k needles is bizarre, it seems like it has its own rules, given it's listed as magical, can't interrupt spells, but is reduced by physical damage -% gear).

As for Mijin, I don't think MDB, barfire, or anything else has an effect on it. You'll notice in Dynamis for example, that people take relatively the same damage. You won't see some people "resist" while others take full damage, as if this were commonly the case, it would be clear that barfire is having some kind of effect.

-magic% (coral gear, eg) and -all% (defending ring, eg) reduce mijin damage. shell and mdb do not.

[Umbra]

-magic% (coral gear, eg) and -all% (defending ring, eg) reduce mijin damage

Interesting, how did you test this? It seems like it would be difficult considering the wildly varying damage.

The -all% is logical. The magic -% I would be interested in seeing the tests on, though that does seem to make sense too.

[Khamsin]

-magic% (coral gear, eg) and -all% (defending ring, eg) reduce mijin damage

Interesting, how did you test this? It seems like it would be difficult considering the wildly varying damage.

The -all% is logical. The magic -% I would be interested in seeing the tests on, though that does seem to make sense too.

There are some NMs that, when they mijin at full health, will cause 4000 damage exactly.

You could also compare your damage to the guy next to you and account for partial resist fractions.

[Umbra]

There are some NMs that, when they mijin at full health, will cause 4000 damage exactly.

How would you make said mob mijin without damaging it?

EDIT:

You could also compare your damage to the guy next to you and account for partial resist fractions.

This is the way I was thinking, and probably the best way. I was just curious how Aurik tested it.

[fantasticdan]

Spell interruption is a good way to test whether something is physical or not. I used to test this often, and found out I was right most of the time with the addition of BLU spells (1k needles is bizarre, it seems like it has its own rules, given it's listed as magical, can't interrupt spells, but is reduced by physical damage -% gear).

I think this is just a case of a blu spell being different from the mob version. Cactuar 1k needles is physical damage, blu 1k needles is magic.