Random Question Thread

[Kvenh]

Does anyone know if Temenos North 1st floor (the one with moblins) item chest drops BRD af+1 item? Wiki doesn't list it but it's not like it lists every drop.
Also if it doesn't drop it which zone would be the best choice when going after temenos BRD af+1? x.x
If possible doable with small amount of ppl

Thanks

[Capo]

temenos west drops brd like crazy for us on a full clear

[gandorf]

I got a few monk questions, I'm thinking of lving it again. I'm in the middle of selling old gear to buy a brown belt and a chiv chain but I'm afraid I wont be able to afford a Sh or a few other nice items. Will I be terribly gimp that people might kick me out of their party?

An how bad would it be to play the job cheap till about 70/75 then equip my mnk in fine gear?

[Tajin]

Quest brown belt and spam assaults for Chiv. Chain? o.O

[gandorf]

I quested BB about a few years ago, maybe two years or so.

[Tifrece]

Anyone know where I can find the mob data (eva/def etc.) for Greater Colibri?

[VZX]

IIRC 67 VIT/AGI and 344 evasion (around that)

[Tifrece]

Cool thanks, There isn't some database I don't know about that has all the mob data for all the mobs is there?

[VZX]

Partial one is on studio gobli ws calculator

http://f4.aaa.livedoor.jp/~rmkta/ws/enemy.html

[CelinaAlexander]

Soboro is fine until Hagun, which is at (72?) or 73. Hagun will then outparse Soboro due to YGK's fancy high TPmods and Hagun's high DPS/base damage. That being said, I have seen 75 SAMs in merit outparsing Hagun SAMs with 6 hit setups. A WS every 2-3 rounds on average is a little bit insane.

Hagun doesn't outparse soboro very readily anymore.

particularly, pre 2h update (when the fTP mods were 1.5 2.0 2.5) hagun and soboro parsed about evenly with 6 hit setups.

post 2h update (when fTP mods are 1.75 2.0 2.5) soboro has seen both an fTP boost *and* a cRatio boost, while hagun has seen only a cRatio boost.

arguably, the cRatio boost affected hagun more, but let's look at the numbers: str 110 vs vit 70 mobs, is a dstr of 40, which will give a fstr of about 11. the cap for soboro is 12 (40/9 + 8) the cap for hagun is 16 (75/9 + 8). soboro swings an average of 1.9 times a round (more or less) hagun swings an average of 1.15 times a round (assuming /war and brutal earring)

hagun will apply 86 * 1.1 * pdif per round, and soboro will apply 51 * 1.9 * pdif per round.

86 * 1.1 = 94.6 (this is in units of D per round)
51 * 1.9 = 96.9

-and- soboro is doing many more weaponskills (1.9 vs. 1.1 at 1.75 vs. 2.0 ) so you're looking at

~185 * 1.1 * 2.0 = 407 (units of D*fTP per ws)
~151 * 1.9 * 1.75 = 502

if you can exceed +44 str vs your target (which will happen in the 120-130 strength range) the gap starts to close, since you'll have capped fstr on soboro, but not on hagun; but generally speaking, soboro is *highly* competitive with hagun damagewise.

Maybe you misunderstood me? That's exactly what I said.

[Amele]

CelinaAlexander wrote:
Soboro is fine until Hagun, which is at (72?) or 73. Hagun will then outparse Soboro due to YGK's fancy high TPmods and Hagun's high DPS/base damage. That being said, I have seen 75 SAMs in merit outparsing Hagun SAMs with 6 hit setups. A WS every 2-3 rounds on average is a little bit insane.

?

I did make one mistake, however; I talked about brutal (1.15) but didn't actually include it in the calculations; with brutal, at the fstr level I indicated, hagun is ahead on dot by about ~2 D/round. (if you're under 100% amnesia this is worth considering)

but is still miles behind in D/ws. (425 vs. ~502) so even if you somehow still had an 8 hit setup (a naked 75 sam has a 7 hit setup normally) you'd be behind after including weaponskills.

so, no. I was disagreeing with you; just subtly.


(disclaimer: obviously mental athletics like this won't always fall out in real life, there's alot of stuff that affects a parse. the math is sound: given otherwise identical circumstances, soboro will outparse hagun for most common preconditions; but this doesn't mean that shit isn't still situational. just that you are completely justified sticking with soboro well into merits.)

[CelinaAlexander]

Oops, I'm a tard

[CelinaAlexander]

That being said, I have seen 75 SAMs in merit outparsing Hagun SAMs with 6 hit setups. A WS every 2-3 rounds on average is a little bit insane.

That's the part I was talking about

[VZX]

Don't forget to take into account probability you won't end up with exact 100 TP, but 100+ 16.x*(1~2) TP after the last swing before WS(assume you only need 1 hit landed to hit 100 TP, but you got 2~3 hits landed instead)

[Amele]

it (almost) drops out at the scale I'm talking about.

.15 chance of gaining .005 additional fTP (if it even carries that far) on hagun weaponskills. .005 * ~185 = .9 so. add 1 I guess.

it's still not even close to making a real difference. (Meditate makes a larger difference but I ignored it to simplify the comparison; hagun will gain ~140~196 units ws back from each meditate cycle (depending on meditate bonus gear) but you'd have to be weaponskilling pretty slowly for that to make up the deficit that would accrue in ~2:30.

[Capo]

can you get skillup from a counter?

[Slott]

No store TP, 13.7, 8 hits to 109.6, 95.9 in 7, +2 from Raging Rush for 97(to 99 with doubles).
+6 Rajas/Brutal, 14.3, 100.1 I believe in 7 hits.

Options: Askar Body, Carbonara (and whatnot), with Brutal will take care of you.
Secret Option: Samurai Sub, which puts you at 7 hit default, 6 hit with Rajas/Brutal/Chiv.

Err... unless 2h store tp is calculated differently than 1h store tp, you're doing it wrong. Store tp of 6 would be multipled against the base tp as such

13.7*1.06 = 14.5

Your solution of 14.3 leads me to believe you added store tp straight to tp per hit, which is wrong.

[Tajin]

Mahatma Slops or Terra Staff? Which would you buy first? BLM is 75 already, RDM67 at the moment, and hopefully my LS will still ask me to come as BLM instead of RDM <_<a (Or better yet, WHM :D)


Note: Could also buy Igqira Lappas, but idk.


P.S. Fuck Jet Serawheels.

[Septimus]

Mahatma Slops or Terra Staff? Which would you buy first? BLM is 75 already, RDM67 at the moment, and hopefully my LS will still ask me to come as BLM instead of RDM <_<a (Or better yet, WHM :D)


Note: Could also buy Igqira Lappas, but idk.


P.S. Fuck Jet Serawheels.

Mahatma Slops first since they would benefit your BLM a lot more than a Terra's Staff would benefit your RDM. (And they will benefit your RDM as well when you can wear them.)

[Shuemue]

Mahatma Slops or Terra Staff? Which would you buy first? BLM is 75 already, RDM67 at the moment, and hopefully my LS will still ask me to come as BLM instead of RDM <_<a (Or better yet, WHM :D)


Note: Could also buy Igqira Lappas, but idk.


P.S. Fuck Jet Serawheels.

Mahatma Slops first since they would benefit your BLM a lot more than a Terra's Staff would benefit your RDM. (And they will benefit your RDM as well when you can wear them.)

If you solo a lot on BLM, lappas by a mile. +10 enfeebling skill is immense for BLM.