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[Rena]

[quote=Amele]

Is Barfira really helping against Mijin Gakure?

As I understand it, Mijin is a non-elemental magic attack. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but shell and whatnot should still help to reduce damage.

Shell/magic damage taken reduction gear helps, but just to clarify, MDB does not.

really? that's.. interesting if it's the case, do you have a reference or did you do the tests yourself?

It's based on my observations in Dynamis as WHM. I regularly take exactly the same amount of damage as everybody else in the party, with small fluctuations that could be explained by magic damage - gear, most likely coral/merman's earrings. I don't usually check party members, but when I do, and do the math, it adds up. If MDB worked against Mijin, then logically I should take less damage than people in my party just about every time, but I never saw numbers that matched up.

I'll accept that, I'm rarely in range for mijin (and when I am I always have some partially damaged stoneskin up) so I don't get to compare like that.

this also settles the 'does MDB from barspell merits affect it even though it isn't elemental' debate. -> all that's left now is to find someone who's tested the mdb bonus on 'incorrect' elements.[/quote:38v3eroo]
I often have stoneskin up too, but it's easy to become lazy, especially in city dynamis, so it happens that I'll get full damage now and then. <_< To be honest I'm not entirely sure that Mijin Gakure isn't elemental either, I've seen resist-like numbers on a certain tonberry NMs, where somebody would take roughly half the damage compared to what I did. Might have been due to level difference too, but I dunno... It's certainly not fire elemental though, because barfira never seemed to make any difference whatsoever, and neither the NM or Dynamis mobs are high enough that you wouldn't resist them regularly with the right barspell.

I might go do some more testing on tonberry NMs, but the time it'll take to pop them is kinda discouraging, so it'll be a while before I can say anything for certain, if I even get around to it.

[Fiofio]

Can the double attack trait from Brutal Earring work when using Joyeuse? I know that it works for Justice Sword, but not sure for Joy Toy

[aurik]

Double attack trait will be checked before joyeuse, but only one or the other will trigger--not both.

[Xrave]

I must've performed thousands of Vorpal but still, normal TP return on a fully connected one appears to be 14%, Warrior's Charge usually produces a 15% one while all my damage records (including 1600+ ones on Skoffins, Decos and Sea Puks) were 16%'s, no exceptions.

The only Store TP items that made it into my WS gearset are Rajas Ring and Brutal, therefore (and thanks Kwon for clearing up a couple things) my base TP should be 5.3 pre-Store TP addition, in WS configuration (.85 from Dual Wield since Suppa gets removed while weapon skill'ing).

(5.3+5.3+1+1+1)*(1.06) = 14.4 TP

...on a 5 hit Vorpal, thus, since I've never noticed a TP return greater than 16% (and aside from paying maniacal attention to my character's performances, as people must've noticed by now I sorta get off on WS big numbers) I think we can pretty safely assume that DA can only get triggered twice during a Vorpal Blade as anything/NIN.

Well...it appears you've been calculating your returned TP incorrectly.

Ridill (236 delay) and Joyeuse (224 delay) have a combined delay of 460. You say you don't WS in Suppa, so that's 15% from DW taking your base delay to 391. With a base delay of 391, this puts you in 180-450 range for TP calculation.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Store_TP

Plugging 391 into the equation and solving gives a combined TP of 10.07, or 10.0 once you floor it. So you're getting 5 TP per hit pre-Store TP, not 5.3 like you think you've been getting.

If you're wearing your Brutal and Rajas, this is 6 Store TP factored into the 10 total for 10.6 total TP if both swords hit, so 5.3 TP after Store TP per weapon.

WS, to my knowledge, calculate the TP you get for your main and offhand hits including the Store TP, then you just get 1% extra TP per hit added to your base WS TP total.

So those few 16% Vorpals you've been getting that do great numbers have infact been the triple DAs you think you've never seen.

5.3+5.3+1+1+1 = 13.6 TP for a normal Vorpal with your gear. Three extra DAs put you at 16.6, or as you see it on your TP bar, 16%

[aurik]

How does 3rd eye merits and seigen interact? Are they still -2 seconds? -1 seconds? No change?

[Darkwill]

How does 3rd eye merits and seigen interact? Are they still -2 seconds? -1 seconds? No change?

2seconds of TE when not on Seigan. -1 second while under Seigan effect.

[Siralin]

Does Centurio XII-I (Intruder Earring NM) work off PHs or does he just pop when his window is up?

[Halion]

Centurio just pops.

[Linsivi]

Does Centurio XII-I (Intruder Earring NM) work off PHs or does he just pop when his window is up?

Pretty sure it just pops like the rest of the 21 hour NMs from CoP.

Question:

Can you unlock trial weapons in Besieged? Probably a long shot since you can't skill up, but can you do it in Campaign?

[Siralin]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/...90de9da9_b.jpg

Yep, doesn't work off PHs >_>. Been here like 20 minutes while browsing the internet. No dorp.

[Jedimasta]

Can you unlock trial weapons in Besieged? Probably a long shot since you can't skill up, but can you do it in Campaign?

Yeah, I broke both my sword and my great axe in besieged, not so sure about campaign though.

[Halion]

You can also skill up in Besieged but you cannot skill up at the very least on Campaign mobs with Allied Tags on so I doubt it. You can skill up on Campaign mobs without Tags on but uh... yeah.

[Mosh]

You can only break a trial weapon in Campaign when you don't have tags I guess. I can confirm that you don't get points when you do have tags. Sucks cause I did 130~ points on GKT there, now I need to do it again.

[Max™]

I'm going to have to say that you cannot break a latent in besieged, as I was working on my Axe of Trials in Besieged regularly, and had been tallying my WSes in my Bazaar comment after each one so I could keep track easily.

I got up to 65, and later a Ninja friend logged and we went and did Ku > Full Break 50 times, and still hadn't lost the latent, even after equipping and unequipping, fighting Colibri and Spiders in Bhaflau the entire time, so we kept at it, and sure enough after the 60th Darkness, my latent disappeared.

So either I got the rare 365 Point weapon, or Besieged points don't count.

Regarding Doubles, I believe there is one weapon which doubles during WSes (besides twicer >.>) and it is that lame ass latent having, potentially wtfamazing cocktease known as the (Dark) Amood.

16.7 TP per hit, 18~19 Tp normal return, 20 when I fire a Warrior's charge with any other axe, yet from time to time, the Amood will kick in and give me a 21% return and ridiculous damage for a Dmg 55 weapon. Much more regularly with my 22% DA (Brutal+Pole+Merits) and firing off Warrior's Charge to boot.

Once in a blue moon I get a 21% using another axe (Rampager mainly) and wtfhappened type damage, but it's ridiculously rare, it still suggests to me that you can DA twice with a twohanded WS, with the Amood regularly, the rest I'm not so sure though.

I need to get a friend to let me strip all but one Utsu shadow, then fire a full DA gear WCed Amood Raging Rush at him, see if I can get a 4% TP return

[Capo]

every ws i did during besieged did not count towards breaking the latent of my trial axe, its easier to go solo crabs in kuftal anyway if you dont have somebody to sc with

re: doubles, i also get 21 tp return raging rush every now and then which would mean 6 hits no? (war/sam with perdu mainly with store tp+7 from gear) i was always under the impression that every hit of a ws could DA or TA with max hits capping at 8

[Max™]

16.7+1+1, but when I get a double, I rarely see 19, usually it is 20% suggesting that it adds in some fractional leftover somewhere.

21% would then be two doubles, and they're rare, but they show up from time to time (unless I'm using my Amood, then they're about as common as normal 20% returns) as War/Sam, Chiv/Rajas/Brutal, Rampager (504 Delay) mostly.

[OctavoGilgamesh]

every ws i did during besieged did not count towards breaking the latent of my trial axe, its easier to go solo crabs in kuftal anyway if you dont have somebody to sc with

Going to confirm this for both campaign and beseiged. I tried to unlock my scythe of trials in besieged and campaign alone, but got frustrated when it never happened with well above the amount of points needed in theory.

On a side note, I was told by an ls mate that if you aren't getting xp for the mob, you won't be able to unlock a latent weapon. That I haven't tested, but seems to hold true for beseiged/campaign.

[ferigor]

On a side note, I was told by an ls mate that if you aren't getting xp for the mob, you won't be able to unlock a latent weapon. That I haven't tested, but seems to hold true for beseiged/campaign.

this is correct. It has to be ep+ for you to get ws points on it. You can not earn ws points in anything where you don't earn xp, so besieged, dynamis, campaign, ksnm, bcnms, enm (get the xp as a reward, not for beating the mob) are all out.

[Alistaire]

I'm surprised people don't think of sea first these days when looking at skillup/trial weapons since you're gonna want to farm for gorgets and/or sea pop items.

New question: For mobs that develop sleep resistance, do resisted castings of sleep add to the resistance? ie: does nin/drk spam sleep on wyrms or hold off that because it'd build resist?

[aurik]

I'm surprised people don't think of sea first these days when looking at skillup/trial weapons since you're gonna want to farm for gorgets and/or sea pop items.

New question: For mobs that develop sleep resistance, do resisted castings of sleep add to the resistance? ie: does nin/drk spam sleep on wyrms or hold off that because it'd build resist?

They will build resist, make sure nin/drk does not put sleep in his cycle for things that you want to sleep.