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[OctavoGilgamesh]

I'm surprised people don't think of sea first these days when looking at skillup/trial weapons since you're gonna want to farm for gorgets and/or sea pop items.

Not all jobs can solo well, even on high ep - low dc prey. I would much rather solo skillup than wait for friends to be willing and available to go. Thus the idea to skll/unlock ws latents in beseiged/campaign.
On an emo note, I also like /bst skilling, and obviously that doesn't work for farming gorgets

[Max™]

Signet+/Dnc, I am a Warrior, one of the most shit-tastic solo jobs, and I can walk up to a EM or lower mob, call it names, question it's sexuality, and then walk away in one piece.

[Ashira]

I'm surprised people don't think of sea first these days when looking at skillup/trial weapons since you're gonna want to farm for gorgets and/or sea pop items.

New question: For mobs that develop sleep resistance, do resisted castings of sleep add to the resistance? ie: does nin/drk spam sleep on wyrms or hold off that because it'd build resist?

They will build resist, make sure nin/drk does not put sleep in his cycle for things that you want to sleep.

This is true; however, our NIN/DRKs still use sleep in their rotation because we don't foresee needs to sleep. So it depends on how comfortable you are with the fight and such, too, on whether you want to take it out of use.

[Ryushii]

I thought I saw it confirmed in another thread somewhere that you CAN unlock weapons in Campaign. I certianly haven't seen it disproved here.

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

I must've performed thousands of Vorpal but still, normal TP return on a fully connected one appears to be 14%, Warrior's Charge usually produces a 15% one while all my damage records (including 1600+ ones on Skoffins, Decos and Sea Puks) were 16%'s, no exceptions.

The only Store TP items that made it into my WS gearset are Rajas Ring and Brutal, therefore (and thanks Kwon for clearing up a couple things) my base TP should be 5.3 pre-Store TP addition, in WS configuration (.85 from Dual Wield since Suppa gets removed while weapon skill'ing).

(5.3+5.3+1+1+1)*(1.06) = 14.4 TP

...on a 5 hit Vorpal, thus, since I've never noticed a TP return greater than 16% (and aside from paying maniacal attention to my character's performances, as people must've noticed by now I sorta get off on WS big numbers) I think we can pretty safely assume that DA can only get triggered twice during a Vorpal Blade as anything/NIN.

Well...it appears you've been calculating your returned TP incorrectly.

Ridill (236 delay) and Joyeuse (224 delay) have a combined delay of 460. You say you don't WS in Suppa, so that's 15% from DW taking your base delay to 391. With a base delay of 391, this puts you in 180-450 range for TP calculation.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Store_TP

Plugging 391 into the equation and solving gives a combined TP of 10.07, or 10.0 once you floor it. So you're getting 5 TP per hit pre-Store TP, not 5.3 like you think you've been getting.

If you're wearing your Brutal and Rajas, this is 6 Store TP factored into the 10 total for 10.6 total TP if both swords hit, so 5.3 TP after Store TP per weapon.

WS, to my knowledge, calculate the TP you get for your main and offhand hits including the Store TP, then you just get 1% extra TP per hit added to your base WS TP total.

So those few 16% Vorpals you've been getting that do great numbers have infact been the triple DAs you think you've never seen.

5.3+5.3+1+1+1 = 13.6 TP for a normal Vorpal with your gear. Three extra DAs put you at 16.6, or as you see it on your TP bar, 16%

Hmm...we were pretty sure the way it worked is TP for total weaponskill * (1+store TP), however we've done a couple tests yesterday to figure out whose TP return calculation was correct and seems like store TP is applied to all hits individually and rounded to down to 1 decimal place, so technically unless you have 10 store tp or more (this has been tested with Carbonara and turned out to be accurate) the extra hits only count as 1.0 (like if you have 6 store TP then you get 1.06 which rounds down to 1.0) but if you have 10 store tp for instance then you will get 1.1 on those other hits. (this is supposedly all 100% definite, the SAM friend who helped me had to find perfect setups to find the order of rounding - many thanks to Kwontess of Garuda), which would also explain the abrupt increase experienced with my set-up while using Carbonara as opposed to Sushi or Pipira.

391/2 = 195.5 -> 5.3 TP a swing. With 1.06 store TP you are at 5.6 a swing. Vorpal blade is 4 hits, 5 with DW, 6 with 1 DA and 7 with 2 DA. With 2 DA you have 2*5.6+5 = 16.2...even if Store TP didn't affect the extra hits. Honestly, I dont' see the point of confusion but then again, it's also 6 AM.

[Xrave]

Your TP calculations are correct, I had an incorrect assumption on my other post. However I still stand by a WS being able to DA once per hit of the WS based on experience form my DRK and Guillotine.

There was a huge thread on KI, and one on BG as well, where people were arguing that dual-wielding jobs can't DA more than once per weapon. All the DRKs swore that they've seen as many as 3 or 4 DAs on one Guillotine (myself included for 3). Somewhere there is a screenshot of a WAR doing a Raging Rush with 3 DAs calculated from the TP return without taking damage from the mob...I will have to dig that up.

Anyways, for your Vorpal assuming you have 15% DA, you'll only see 3 triple-DA WSs per 1000 WSs (0.33%) This number is so low you could just be unlucky in never actually having it occur or you could have pulled hate after it due to the large damage and gotten hit during the WS so when you saw the TP you never thought about how many hits the WS actually did...or something. I do not know!

But I stand by being able to get 1 DA per hit of a WS from personal experience on DRK; it's happened a couple times (no I wasn't hit by the mob).

[Max™]

Math time, yay.

13.7 to start, but... wait a second, why am I getting 16 per hit with 15 Base+7 Gear... guess that is a question for later, I'm tired.

16.7 Normal per hit, 504 Gaxe, /Sam, Rajas, Chiv, Brutal for +7 Store TP, 22 Total Store TP.

16.7+1.2+1.2 would be 19.1+1.2 would be 20.3+1.2 for the 21.5 on a two doubles?

I get 18 which look like normal damage (divisible by three neatly, 900, 1150, etc) and 19/20 look like a single double on top of it, 1200, 1400, with 21 giving me 1600 and the like.

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

Your TP calculations are correct, I had an incorrect assumption on my other post. However I still stand by a WS being able to DA once per hit of the WS based on experience form my DRK and Guillotine.

There was a huge thread on KI, and one on BG as well, where people were arguing that dual-wielding jobs can't DA more than once per weapon. All the DRKs swore that they've seen as many as 3 or 4 DAs on one Guillotine (myself included for 3). Somewhere there is a screenshot of a WAR doing a Raging Rush with 3 DAs calculated from the TP return without taking damage from the mob...I will have to dig that up.

Anyways, for your Vorpal assuming you have 15% DA, you'll only see 3 triple-DA WSs per 1000 WSs (0.33%) This number is so low you could just be unlucky in never actually having it occur or you could have pulled hate after it due to the large damage and gotten hit during the WS so when you saw the TP you never thought about how many hits the WS actually did...or something. I do not know!

But I stand by being able to get 1 DA per hit of a WS from personal experience on DRK; it's happened a couple times (no I wasn't hit by the mob).

Oh, I'm not questioning that either since I also believe 2 handers can DA several times (I've stumbled upon those threads a couple times as well not too long ago and unless I'm mistaken there used to be an interesting one on ffxionline.com too), my statement was essentially circumscribed to weapon skills executed by dual-wield'ers.

[RKenshin]

On the topic of DAs:

The actual chance of landing an 8-hit Vorpal Blade with a 15% chance to DA and 85% accuracy is about .5%. This percent gets smaller when you include the fact that overkilling the mob in question before all 8 hits land is very likely, Flashga/Utsesumi/Blink/Evasion Bonuses skew the percent greatly when in effect, and you might as well include Murphy's Law. Realistically speaking, just factoring in a 25% chance for a WS that does over 1.5k damage to overkill a mob (which is rather reasonable considering most exp mobs have about 2.5-4k HP, and a 7 hit Vorpal will just about always at least break or fall close to 1.5k damage) already lowers that chance to .0017%.

Personally I don't remember if I've had any 8-hit Vorpals though. But, I haven't used the WS enough for my results to justify much of anything. On the other hand, I'm relatively sure I have seen a few 3x DA Blade: Jins for stupid damage. Clearing Sand Lizards for an Amemet pop who-knows-how-long ago I pulled out a 1.8k Jin with a TP return suggesting 3 DAs at the time (this was before the TP floor adjustments).

However I've personally seen what was either a 2x or a 3x DA Vorpal Blade as a WAR/DRG for about 1.4k with no 2h (iirc it was 3x DA), using Ridill about 1.5 years ago. I don't see why you couldn't DA multiple times per hand in Vorpal while dual wielding if you could while single wielding.

In addition there is some close to irrefutable proof towards each hit having a chance to DA with 2h weapons. From the obvious results of having multiple DAs occur in a WS, to having your WS DA percent average significantly higher than your innate DA %. I believe the same applies for dual wielding.

[Baha]

And this is why I miss the tp floor.
14tp DE? yay full hits. That next round? anywhere between 5 and 30tp sir.
Now it's all so annoyingly complex. :/

[Azkarin]

I used to check out Ruke's LJ for the windower macro guide but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have a link to the direct page? I just need the line you enter in the macro itself...

[Baha]

/console exec war_nintp.txt
That line?

[RKenshin]

I used to check out Ruke's LJ for the windower macro guide but I couldn't find it. Does anyone have a link to the direct page? I just need the line you enter in the macro itself...

There are probably better guides but this is the one you seem to be referring to:
http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/14854.html#cutid1

[Azkarin]

/console exec war_nintp.txt
That line?

Thanks.

There are probably better guides but this is the one you seem to be referring to:
http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/14854.html#cutid1

And Thanks.

[Alistaire]

I'm surprised people don't think of sea first these days when looking at skillup/trial weapons since you're gonna want to farm for gorgets and/or sea pop items.

Not all jobs can solo well, even on high ep - low dc prey. I would much rather solo skillup than wait for friends to be willing and available to go. Thus the idea to skll/unlock ws latents in beseiged/campaign.
On an emo note, I also like /bst skilling, and obviously that doesn't work for farming gorgets

Part of that idea though, is that you lure your friends out to come help you skill up by saying it'll help farm for their gorgets.

[Callisto]

2 nooby questions for me:

1) I saw a screenshot where someone's TP return after a WS was displayed in the chat log(not in windower info)...is that some kind of text command you can add in to the WS macro, or just a plugin trick?

2) Secondly, I heard a rumor of console players being able to save their macros to the server(was a PS2 player that told me this), any confirmation of that?

Thanks!

[Max™]

/echo <tp> TP Return!


I am not sure about where my macros are stored on PS2, but it feels too fast to be server side rather than client side.

[Callisto]

/echo <tp> TP Return!


I am not sure about where my macros are stored on PS2, but it feels too fast to be server side rather than client side.

Thanks, and durrrr @ me not being able to figure that one out...

I know they're normally saved client side, but I heard there was a way to get them onto the server side. The main reason I ask is that my 360 seems like it's about to die, and I'm dreading having to redo all my macros(3 books for RDM/BRD/COR, soon a 4th for SCH), hoping there's some way around it.

[Eldelphia]

How do I make Roc drop?

We've killed him 15 times as a shell - one drop, someone lotted instead of passed (doesn't have WHM, doesn't want WHM, dropped it...) and he won't put out.

Yours, in frustration

Me

[chapstick]

Bring a lucky taru (*'-')