Random Question Thread

[Nerull]

Errant Body or Igqira Weskit for Aspir? Does it even matter? What is Aspir's formula anyway?

Of the two I would say errant body simply for the -emnity, could care less about the rest of the stats on errant or weskit when it comes to drain/aspir/bio. Nashira Body is ideal, as others have said, has both dark magic and haste.

[Khamsin]

Back to the Maneater vs Woodville debate, since weapon rank doesn't increase with the latent activation, would that make Woodville better on mobs that you can cap attack on, and Maneater better on mobs you can't?

[Chupunpupun]

Back to the Maneater vs Woodville debate, since weapon rank doesn't increase with the latent activation, would that make Woodville better on mobs that you can cap attack on, and Maneater better on mobs you can't?

Explain weapon rank, I'm not familar with that.

[VZX]

Back to the Maneater vs Woodville debate, since weapon rank doesn't increase with the latent activation, would that make Woodville better on mobs that you can cap attack on, and Maneater better on mobs you can't?

Weapon rank related to fSTR cap, which related to STR-VIT difference. Attack cap is a different story.

And to answer the question : capping fSTR is nearly impossible with all STR gear and food you can get, even in merit PT situation. Unless, you demand your BRD to sing STR etude.

[Khamsin]

Back to the Maneater vs Woodville debate, since weapon rank doesn't increase with the latent activation, would that make Woodville better on mobs that you can cap attack on, and Maneater better on mobs you can't?

Weapon rank related to fSTR cap, which related to STR-VIT difference. Attack cap is a different story.

And to answer the question : capping fSTR is nearly impossible with all STR gear and food you can get, even in merit PT situation. Unless, you demand your BRD to sing STR etude.

So, in other words, the loss of 20% of my weapon's rank is pretty much a non-issue?

[Starr]

You won't get over let alone up to fSTR 12, cap of Maneater, to worry about getting up to Woodvilles fSTR13 cap.

[Rai]

Can you cancel relic weapon quests on first stage? As in, traded the Gob initial weapon + crafting materials, he wants currency now.

[aurik]

@Rai, nope. Once you give him something, you have to complete the stage before upgrading anything else.

@Rocl, CMP base activation rate is indeed 25%. +CMP gear increases activation frequency. MP saved is rnd(1,8)/16 * cost, where rnd() is an even distribution. It is far from "useless" as some BLMs would believe, but that's an argument for another thread.

[Scythiroth]

I am just double checking on this, but I accidently started the wrong beastmen hat quest and want to start another, do I have to finish this one to start a different hat quest?...

[Rai]

@Rai, nope. Once you give him something, you have to complete the stage before upgrading anything else.

That's not too bad then ... at least they don't force you to go all the way. Thanks!

[aurik]

I am just double checking on this, but I accidently started the wrong beastmen hat quest and want to start another, do I have to finish this one to start a different hat quest?...

Yes, no way to cancel beastmen hat quests and they're exclusive.

[Scythiroth]

I am just double checking on this, but I accidently started the wrong beastmen hat quest and want to start another, do I have to finish this one to start a different hat quest?...

Yes, no way to cancel beastmen hat quests and they're exclusive.

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I hate SE sometimes. -.-

[Kawfee]

Well, since this is a random question thread, maybe I can join in? D:

As far as modifiers go, would Shura Haidate or Byakko's Haidate be better for Blade: Jin?

(I don't have the Shura to test, and I don't want to waste time/gil if I don't have to.)

Formula, with this assumption: you will land all 3 hits with Blade: Jin an equal amount with either leg piece, as ACC+7 and DEX+15 (ACC+~7) are essentially the same.

Formula for 3-hit WS: (from this thread)

(WeaponDamage + ( YourSTR - MobVIT + X ) / 2 + LevelAdjVariable * ( WeaponSkillModifier1% * WeaponSkillModiferStat1 + WeaponSkillModifier2% * WeaponSkillModifierStat2 ) ) * TPModifier * ( ( YourAttack / MobDefense ) - ( .05 * LevelDifference ) ) * the whole equation again with TPModifier of 1.0 for hit #2 * the whole equation again with TPModifier of 1.0 for hit #3 * the whole equation again with TPModifier of 1.0 for extra hit from Dual Wield

where X comes from this chart:

STR-VIT:  then X =
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
   >12         4
 6 ~ 11        6
 1 ~ 5         7
 0 ~ -2        8
-3 ~ -7        9
-8 ~ -15      10
-16 ~ -21     12
  <-22        13

whew, that was a mouthful


Now, to fill in those values that are the same in both equations:

WeaponDamage: 39 (Fudo, for the hell of it)
YourSTR: 65 + item bonuses
YourDEX: 65 + item bonuses
MobVIT: Let's take a guess at it being 75
X: 10
LevelAdjVariable: This is just pure code adjustment; at Level 75, this = .83
WeaponSkillModifier1 = STR
WeaponSkillModifier1% = 30%
WeaponSkillModifier2 = DEX
WeaponSkillModifier2% = 30%
TPModifier: Always 1.0 on Blade: Jin (damage doesn't increase with TP, just crit rate)
YourAttack: Let's guess at about 600
MobDefense: Say you're fighting Colibri, then this = 336 (from this thread)
LevelDifference: Colibri = 81, so 81-75 = 6




Shura Haidate: Giving you STR+5 ATK+3 (Hey, lets be generous and round up) which changes X from 10 to 9 as well.

=( 39 + ( 65+5 - 75 + 9) / 2 + .83 * ( .30 * 65+5) + .83 * (.30 * 65 ) ) * 1.0 * ( ( 603 / 336 ) - ( .05 * 6 ) ) * ( 39 + ( 65+5 - 75 + 9) / 2 + .83 * ( .30 * 65+5) + .83 * (.30 * 65 ) ) * 1.0 * ( ( 603 / 336 ) - ( .05 * 6 ) ) * ( 39 + ( 65+5 - 75 + 9 ) / 2 + .83 * ( .30 * 65+5) + .83 * (.30 * 65 ) ) * 1.0 * ( ( 603 / 336 ) - ( .05 * 6 ) ) * ( 39 + ( 65+5 - 75 + 9 ) / 2 + .83 * ( .30 * 65+5) + .83 * (.30 * 65 ) ) * 1.0 * ( ( 603 / 336 ) - ( .05 * 6 ) )

Which is ugly as shit, so I'm going to rewrite it as this:

=( 39 + ( 65+5 - 75 + 9 ) / 2 + .83 * ( .30 * 65+5) + .83 * (.30 * 65 ) ) * 1.0 * ( ( 603 / 336 ) - ( .05 * 6 ) ) * 4
=( 39 + ( 4 / 2) + .83*(.3*70 + .3*65) * 1.0 * ( ( 1.795 - .3 ) ) * 4
=(39 + 2 + .83 * (21 + 19.5) * 1.0 * (1.495) * 4
=(41 + .83 * 40.5) * 1.495 * 4
= 446.197 WS Damage with Shura Haidate



With Byakko's Haidate: Giving you DEX+15 and Crit Rate Bonus of 1.5%
=( 39 + ( 65 - 75 + 10 ) / 2 + .83 * ( .30 * 65) + .83 * (.30 * 65+15 ) ) * 1.0 * ( ( 600 / 336 ) - ( .05 * 6 ) + .015 * 1.0 for extra chance to critical hit ) * 4
=( 39 + ( 5 / 2 ) + .83 * (.3*65 + .3*80) ) * 1.0 * ( (1.786) - .3 + .015 ) * 4
=( 39 + 2.5 + .83 * (19.5 + 24)) * ( 1.486 + .015 ) * 4
=( 41.5 + .83 * 43.5 ) * 1.501 * 4
= 465.942 WS Damage with Byakko's Haidate



SO, IN CONCLUSION:
Byakko's Haidate outdamages Shura Haidate vs. merit-party mobs, by providing a greater increase to the modifier and increasing the chance of critical that outweighs the bonuses from increases STR and attack gained from STR+.

And to clarify, this is in comparing ONLY these two items; it is not saying that DEX+ overrides STR+, in any other case where the numbers on different gear are equal or close (ie STR+3 vs. DEX+4) its probably better to take the STR+ because of the multiple times it is used and because of the attack bonus.


Sorry for all the detail rather than just flat out answering you, but I felt that you would be better served in the long run by understanding why something is better than something else other than just "that's the way it is".

Happy killing!

[aurik]

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Formula for 3-hit WS: (from this thread)

(WeaponDamage + ( YourSTR - MobVIT + X ) / 2 + LevelAdjVariable * ( WeaponSkillModifier1% * WeaponSkillModiferStat1 + WeaponSkillModifier2% * WeaponSkillModifierStat2 ) ) * TPModifier * ( ( YourAttack / MobDefense ) - ( .05 * LevelDifference ) ) * the whole equation again with TPModifier of 1.0 for hit #2 * the whole equation again with TPModifier of 1.0 for hit #3 * the whole equation again with TPModifier of 1.0 for extra hit from Dual Wield

where X comes from this chart:

STR-VIT:  then X =
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
   >12         4
 6 ~ 11        6
 1 ~ 5         7
 0 ~ -2        8
-3 ~ -7        9
-8 ~ -15      10
-16 ~ -21     12
  <-22        13

whew, that was a mouthful

Let me break down what that equation is:

(D + fSTR + WSC * (sum of modifiers)) * fTP * pDIF(youratk, mobdef, moblvl, yourlvl)

I'm concerned that you have fSTR wrong. You write it as
(ySTR - mVIT + X) / 2. As ySTR-mVIT -> cap, X = 4. Therefore, you're saying it can be written as (ySTR - mVIT)/2 + 2.

However, at high amounts of strength, fSTR should increase by 1 for every ~4 strength you add. You are only dividing it by 2?

The impact of this, if it is an error, would be to falsely inflate the importance of strength. Therefore your conclusion still holds.

[Swatt]

uber noob question but

wtf do the beastman hats give? the summon "blahblah" part.

[VZX]

Back to the Maneater vs Woodville debate, since weapon rank doesn't increase with the latent activation, would that make Woodville better on mobs that you can cap attack on, and Maneater better on mobs you can't?

Weapon rank related to fSTR cap, which related to STR-VIT difference. Attack cap is a different story.

And to answer the question : capping fSTR is nearly impossible with all STR gear and food you can get, even in merit PT situation. Unless, you demand your BRD to sing STR etude.

So, in other words, the loss of 20% of my weapon's rank is pretty much a non-issue?

yep.
STR cap is nice to know when you conducting a test. But in realistic case, you'll just never touch that number.
How much a WAR can pump their STR with just gears and food btw ?

[Kawfee]

This is just off the top of my head, but probably around +75ish?

[Epical]

Argh Aurik, you getting all mathematical turns me on. 8) And thanks for the Aspir question, I was wondering that myself (even though I had an idea). Any answers on Ku yet?

[VZX]

This is just off the top of my head, but probably around +75ish?

I ever saw Ruke with +89 w/o Jugg (+92 w/ Jugg?)

[Blackice]

Jugg/Tatami: +8
Heca Cap: +11(+12 HQ)
Heca Harness: +12 (+13 HQ)
Alky's: +11
Foragers: +3
WAR cuisses: +5
Heca Feet: +6 (+7 HQ)
Rajas/Flame: +10
Triumph x2: +4 (+8 if 2x Vampire's at night)
Spike Necklace: +3
Elvaan RSE Sachet: +2
Red Curry: +7

+82 with NQ during the day, +89 with HQ heca using 2x Vamps at night.

Also this is obviously not a set someone would WS in all things considering, like Gorget > Spike Necklace, adaberk > heca harness, wouldn't be using Tatami. So in all reality most likely going to be Rampaging in +72-75 STR.