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[Talisien]

Can someone give me some help understanding TP return and weapon skills?

I get 14tp on a typical swing (i'm a 52 sam/war with soboro and +6 store tp) so I assume that # is 14.x (does someone have that formula handy?) because I (according to other people) have a 7 hit setup, I haven't really tested it.

Anyways, on Weapon skills I get the following #s for Tachi: Jinpu and Tachi: Enpi:

0 - Miss
1 - This is when I miss on both hits but a double attack goes off?
13 - This is a hit/miss no double attacks I think
14 - This is a hit/hit I think
15 - This is a hit/hit + double attack
16 - This is a hit + double attack / hit + double attack

I guess I'm asking a few things, 1) Is that little list right? 2) Can soboro proc on weapon skills? 2a) Is a soboro proc treated like a double attack? 3) What's the formula for tp return on a swing, and why does my base swing give 14.x but a 1 hit of my ws give less than that.

Thanks!

[Amele]

Can someone give me some help understanding TP return and weapon skills?

I get 14tp on a typical swing (i'm a 52 sam/war with soboro and +6 store tp) so I assume that # is 14.x (does someone have that formula handy?) because I (according to other people) have a 7 hit setup, I haven't really tested it.

Anyways, on Weapon skills I get the following #s for Tachi: Jinpu and Tachi: Enpi:

0 - Miss
1 - This is when I miss on both hits but a double attack goes off?
13 - This is a hit/miss no double attacks I think
14 - This is a hit/hit I think
15 - This is a hit/hit + double attack
16 - This is a hit + double attack / hit + double attack

I guess I'm asking a few things, 1) Is that little list right? 2) Can soboro proc on weapon skills? 2a) Is a soboro proc treated like a double attack? 3) What's the formula for tp return on a swing, and why does my base swing give 14.x but a 1 hit of my ws give less than that.

Thanks!

this first hit gives your normal tp gain (in this case, 14.4 TP per hit) the second hit gives 1, each connected double attack gives 1.

the tp return you should expect to see (unless you are macroing out your store TP gear for ws) is:

0 - no hits,
1 - missed primary, hit 1 secondary
2 - missed primary, hit 2 secondary (second hit + DA or something)
3 - missed primary, hit 3 secondary (second hit + 2 DA.. this is super unlikely)
14 - hit primary
15 - hit primary+ 1 secondary hit
16 - hit primary + 2 secondary (second hit + DA)
17 - hit primary + 3 secondary (second hit + 2 DA.. this is super unlikely)

if you macro out the store TP gear for weaponskill, then you will get 1 less TP on the WS returns

store TP at 50 is 20 from trait, +6 from gear. store tp works like: TP * (1+StoreTP/100) so TP * 1.26 in this case.

TP for a 450 delay weapon is 11.5

soboro can't proc on weaponskills.

[Talisien]

Can someone give me some help understanding TP return and weapon skills?

I get 14tp on a typical swing (i'm a 52 sam/war with soboro and +6 store tp) so I assume that # is 14.x (does someone have that formula handy?) because I (according to other people) have a 7 hit setup, I haven't really tested it.

Anyways, on Weapon skills I get the following #s for Tachi: Jinpu and Tachi: Enpi:

0 - Miss
1 - This is when I miss on both hits but a double attack goes off?
13 - This is a hit/miss no double attacks I think
14 - This is a hit/hit I think
15 - This is a hit/hit + double attack
16 - This is a hit + double attack / hit + double attack

I guess I'm asking a few things, 1) Is that little list right? 2) Can soboro proc on weapon skills? 2a) Is a soboro proc treated like a double attack? 3) What's the formula for tp return on a swing, and why does my base swing give 14.x but a 1 hit of my ws give less than that.

Thanks!

this first hit gives your normal tp gain (in this case, 14.4 TP per hit) the second hit gives 1, each connected double attack gives 1.

the tp return you should expect to see (unless you are macroing out your store TP gear for ws) is:

0 - no hits,
1 - missed primary, hit 1 secondary
2 - missed primary, hit 2 secondary (second hit + DA or something)
3 - missed primary, hit 3 secondary (second hit + 2 DA.. this is super unlikely)
14 - hit primary
15 - hit primary+ 1 secondary hit
16 - hit primary + 2 secondary (second hit + DA)
17 - hit primary + 3 secondary (second hit + 2 DA.. this is super unlikely)

if you macro out the store TP gear for weaponskill, then you will get 1 less TP on the WS returns

store TP at 50 is 20 from trait, +6 from gear. store tp works like: TP * (1+StoreTP/100) so TP * 1.26 in this case.

TP for a 450 delay weapon is 11.5

soboro can't proc on weaponskills.

So *this* is why I've been spotting a few 99s in my log again lately. I should be keeping in the +6 during WS so that a 13 + 14.4x6 (=99) doesn't occur.

What do people do on multi-hit weaponskills in terms of accuracy, do you watch for your TP return and make sure you're getting double hits? Or do you just load on the strength anyways? Now that I know I'm getting around 30% single hit WS in my full str gear, maybe I'll rethink this...

Thanks Amele.

[VZX]

What do people do on multi-hit weaponskills in terms of accuracy, do you watch for your TP return and make sure you're getting double hits? Or do you just load on the strength anyways? Now that I know I'm getting around 30% single hit WS in my full str gear, maybe I'll rethink this...

This is coming from BLU/vorpal blade perspective

my full DW vorpal TP return is 13, If I got 12TP+ quite frequently, I consider my accuracy is good (4 out of 5 hits) and can load STR gear if there's other slot I can load STR with minimal accuracy penalty.

[Amele]

sam: focus on accuracy until you get tachi: yukikaze, you'll do more damage landing both hits than you will pumping a single hit on enpi and jinpu.

once you have tachi: yuki, have enough accuracy to *hit* and load strength from there. (remember, you need less accuracy to land one hit 85% of the time than you need to land 2 hits 85% of the time, no matter how counter-intuitive that sounds)

only use enpi or jinpu after you get yuki if it's absolutely critical for a skillchain (hint: it's probably not)

[Talisien]

This is coming from BLU/vorpal blade perspective

my full DW vorpal TP return is 13, If I got 12TP+ quite frequently, I consider my accuracy is good (4 out of 5 hits) and can load STR gear if there's other slot I can load STR with minimal accuracy penalty.

sam: focus on accuracy until you get tachi: yukikaze, you'll do more damage landing both hits than you will pumping a single hit on enpi and jinpu.

once you have tachi: yuki, have enough accuracy to *hit* and load strength from there. (remember, you need less accuracy to land one hit 85% of the time than you need to land 2 hits 85% of the time, no matter how counter-intuitive that sounds)

only use enpi or jinpu after you get yuki if it's absolutely critical for a skillchain (hint: it's probably not)

Oh don't worry, I'm counting the skill-ups till 200

And thanks for this, I will definitely up my accuracy on WS and probably parse even better +)

[Spartin]

Does going up a floor in temenos count as zoning?

Reason I ask is cos we had a stupid moment where we rushed something and 4 peeps died near the tele to the last floor. The remaining handful went up and we expected to be able to get up. Also tonberries did not reset and were constantly making the 'hello, I'll be your aggro for today' noise. Never really come up before >.>. The guys upstairs tried to finish but wiped without any real healing and then the berries reset.

Happened to my ls once and the tonberries didnt move. They still had hate on the people upstairs so all the did was move further in and the tonberries followed the people upstairs. We could reraise after that and jump on the elevator without any aggro at all.

[Damane]

If I am doing consistently 843 dmg slugshots, does that mean I need to stack up more STR to upp the cap? Because I cant believe I reached my r.att to STR ratio cap with just one chaos roll and a DRK in the pt... It was way strange for me seeing all my slugshots do the exact same dmg.

[VZX]

If I am doing consistently 843 dmg slugshots, does that mean I need to stack up more STR to upp the cap? Because I cant believe I reached my r.att to STR ratio cap with just one chaos roll and a DRK in the pt... It was way strange for me seeing all my slugshots do the exact same dmg.

There's no way slugshot capped at 843 only unless you're using incredibly weak ranged weapons + ammo

Short answer : you're in cRatio range 0.9~1.1 of ranged pDIF. If there was no defense down in any kind of form, adding 2 effects would bring your damage up (i.e. Dia II and acid bolt or frightful roar).

[Damane]

There's no way slugshot capped at 843 only unless you're using incredibly weak ranged weapons + ammo

Short answer : you're in cRatio range 0.9~1.1 of ranged pDIF. If there was no defense down in any kind of form, adding 2 effects would bring your damage up (i.e. Dia II and acid bolt or frightful roar).

then I find it strange why my slugshot was allways hitting for 843. well there was no form of defense down. but what was strange was that it didnt even matter what chaos roll number I rolled... I did hit allways for 843. with an XI or with a VIII didnt matter (which is quiet a difference in attack numbers). I am confused

EDIT: I used martial gun (39 base dmg) and steel bullets (70 base dmg)btw.

[Damane]

There's no way slugshot capped at 843 only unless you're using incredibly weak ranged weapons + ammo

Short answer : you're in cRatio range 0.9~1.1 of ranged pDIF. If there was no defense down in any kind of form, adding 2 effects would bring your damage up (i.e. Dia II and acid bolt or frightful roar).

then I find it strange why my slugshot was allways hitting for 843. well there was no form of defense down. but what was strange was that it didnt even matter what chaos roll number I rolled... I did hit allways for 843. with an XI or with a VIII didnt matter (which is quiet a difference in attack numbers). I am confused

EDIT: I used martial gun (39 base dmg) and steel bullets (70 base dmg)btw.

EDIT2: even the BRDs minuet IV didnt change the number at all coupled with my chaos roll together.

[VZX]

What mob is it?

[Anakron]

What would be generally considered the most "efficient" way for getting a 6-hit setup for SAMs? That is, getting 6-hit while compromising as little as possible. Given that you need ~45 Store TP for a 6-hit (450 delay GKT), and 25% comes from SAM JTs themselves, assuming no access to Askar or Usukane, where would you get the extra 20?

Some possibilities:

Rajas             5
Merits            0-10
Hachiman Kote     8
Hachiman Sune-ate 5
Chivalrous Chain  1
Brutal Earring    1

You may need a little more than 45 Store TP if you use a different setup for the WS hit (e.g. Alky instead of possibly Hachiman Kote), so what if that's factored as well?

Or is the whole 6-hit thing not worth it to begin with?

[Amele]

What would be generally considered the most "efficient" way for getting a 6-hit setup for SAMs? That is, getting 6-hit while compromising as little as possible. Given that you need ~45 Store TP for a 6-hit (450 delay GKT), and 25% comes from SAM JTs themselves, assuming no access to Askar or Usukane, where would you get the extra 20?

Some possibilities:

Rajas             5
Merits            0-10
Hachiman Kote     8
Hachiman Sune-ate 5
Chivalrous Chain  1
Brutal Earring    1

You may need a little more than 45 Store TP if you use a different setup for the WS hit (e.g. Alky instead of possibly Hachiman Kote), so what if that's factored as well?

Or is the whole 6-hit thing not worth it to begin with?

it is worth it. 46 store tp is how much you need.

you must weaponskill in 46 if you want the benefits of the 6 hit setup.

25 (trait) + 10 merits leaves you with 11 to get in gear.

the easiest setup in terms of slots is brutal + rajas + hachiman feet. you should use dusk gloves or myo+1 hands for TP probably.

alternately, hachiman kote + rajas will do it too (without the brutal) I'd use either amir boots or fuma's for TP.

hachiman kote +1 will allow you to weaponskill in just rajas+brutal, but are much more expensive.

you could also weaponskill in myochin haidate+1 and chivalrous chain if you wanted to use (say) amir feet and enky's for ws.


if you don't have b.haidate, I'd recommend using myo legs+1, chivalrous, fuma's over shura haidate, justice torque, hachiman. (personal preference for haste).

[Niiro]

it is worth it. 46 store tp is how much you need.

you must weaponskill in 46 if you want the benefits of the 6 hit setup.

This isn't necessarily true.

Example:

While meleeing you have:
25 traits
10 merits
5 rajas
8 hachiman kote

Total 48 Store TP, 17 TP per hit.

On weaponskill you have:
25 traits
10 merits
5 Rajas

Total 40 Store TP, 16.1 TP per hit.

You're free to use whatever STR gear you please on WS with no concern for store TP (alky's instead of hachiman kote, rutters instead of sune-ate, etc)

WS in 40 store TP = 16.1 TP

5 hits @ 48 store TP = 85 TP

Total TP after WS + 5 hits = 101.1

Allows freedom to max STR on WS while still maintaining a 6 hit setup.

[Deftscythe]

edit: should've read the past couple pages, asked and answered, sorry.

[sephir]

For Corsairs/Fishermen

For AF2(legs) im having problems fishing up the Hydrogauge. I have tried the following all off Whitegates Northern fishing Docks:

Composite Rod with Lugwoms, Rogue Rig, Little worms
Mithran Fishing rod with Rogue Rig, Little worms
Tarutaru Fishing rod with little worms and Rogue Rig.


none of which has worked after 15 hours of fishing. All of the above are based on friends(all who are 60+ cor) and what they used aswell as ffxiclopedia. So what did everyone use to fish up this item for Af2? and possibly where.

[Epical]

RNG to 37: 2x AGI+2 rings or Mighty/Vision combo? Also, is there anything I should be macroing in for bow WS? I'm going to just assume STR if I can, other than that don't bother?

[VZX]

RNG to 37: 2x AGI+2 rings or Mighty/Vision combo? Also, is there anything I should be macroing in for bow WS? I'm going to just assume STR if I can, other than that don't bother?

- racc ringx2 (horn, is it? I forgot), or you're trying to refer to earring slots?
- don't bother switching, there's only very few pieces you can choose to boost your damage. on top of it, WS multiplier still low

[Niiro]

Scorpion 35?