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[Zilong]

Level 7 Besieged: Al Zahbi is under attack by all 3 beastman force, activate Apathy Overdrive and skill up all weapons with a cap of 215. Gadalar dies, Najelith dies, Zazarg dies, Mihli dies, Rughadjeen dies in that order. Hall of Binding bursts open, players crowd the Astral Plinth to take screenshots of themselves in front of the Astral Plinth to compliment their other screenshots taken in front of the same Astral Plinth last week. Players take screenshots of new monsters/NMs featured in Lv.7 attack, but an older monster will end up seizing the Astral Candescence just because life is funny like that. I call everyone in the zone a blithering faggot. /headdesk.

I assemble crew of the unwilling to go into beastmen stronghold to recover AC. Japanese group recovers AC moments before my group reaches the battlefield entrance, since we spent upwards of 3 hours farming the necessary items to enter the battlefield (lord knows how the JPs got items so soon). I lie, telling everyone we were successful in recovering the AC anyway so that I can reserve the right to call everyone in Al Zahbi a blithering faggot next time the AC is taken.

Fixed to accurately predict what will happen on day 1 of patch.

And I just know I'd be part of that crew...

But seriously, is other server's Al Zahbi filled with yawning faggots like sylph's?

I loathe besieged outside JP prime.

[Alastaire]

Level 7 Besieged: Al Zahbi is under attack by all 3 beastman force, activate Apathy Overdrive and skill up all weapons with a cap of 215. Gadalar dies, Najelith dies, Zazarg dies, Mihli dies, Rughadjeen dies in that order. Hall of Binding bursts open, players crowd the Astral Plinth to take screenshots of themselves in front of the Astral Plinth to compliment their other screenshots taken in front of the same Astral Plinth last week. Players take screenshots of new monsters/NMs featured in Lv.7 attack, but an older monster will end up seizing the Astral Candescence just because life is funny like that. I call everyone in the zone a blithering faggot. /headdesk.

I assemble crew of the unwilling to go into beastmen stronghold to recover AC. Japanese group recovers AC moments before my group reaches the battlefield entrance, since we spent upwards of 3 hours farming the necessary items to enter the battlefield (lord knows how the JPs got items so soon). I lie, telling everyone we were successful in recovering the AC anyway so that I can reserve the right to call everyone in Al Zahbi a blithering faggot next time the AC is taken.

Fixed to accurately predict what will happen on day 1 of patch.

And I just know I'd be part of that crew...

But seriously, is other server's Al Zahbi filled with yawning faggots like sylph's?

I loathe besieged outside JP prime.

No one does Yawn anymore, and we've never even lost a Besieged. >.>

[Spira]

Remember how most versions of the Salvage info said Imperial Standing credits for a few days? Yeah, so until further confirmation, I'm interpreting it as relic gear. But it might also mean Shijen/Homam/Nashira/Salvage (someone think of a prettier name here) and possibly JSE.

no actually

Remnants Permits
In addition to meeting the aforementioned criteria, adventurers also must possess a "remnants permit." This key item can be obtained in exchange for Assault points (2000) and will grant entry to any one of the four remnants.

this was what they said. hopeful people who didn't do Assault but wanted in were praying it was their 'typical' typo/misinformation

[Gere]

Remember how most versions of the Salvage info said Imperial Standing credits for a few days? Yeah, so until further confirmation, I'm interpreting it as relic gear. But it might also mean Shijen/Homam/Nashira/Salvage (someone think of a prettier name here) and possibly JSE.

no actually

Remnants Permits
In addition to meeting the aforementioned criteria, adventurers also must possess a "remnants permit." This key item can be obtained in exchange for Assault points (2000) and will grant entry to any one of the four remnants.

this was what they said. hopeful people who didn't do Assault but wanted in were praying it was their 'typical' typo/misinformation

Actually, that was because the french site said imperial standing ( that turned out to be the typo).

[Sagacious Sundi]

Remember how most versions of the Salvage info said Imperial Standing credits for a few days? Yeah, so until further confirmation, I'm interpreting it as relic gear. But it might also mean Shijen/Homam/Nashira/Salvage (someone think of a prettier name here) and possibly JSE.

no actually

Remnants Permits
In addition to meeting the aforementioned criteria, adventurers also must possess a "remnants permit." This key item can be obtained in exchange for Assault points (2000) and will grant entry to any one of the four remnants.

this was what they said. hopeful people who didn't do Assault but wanted in were praying it was their 'typical' typo/misinformation

My bad, had the thing mixed up. Like what Gere said, the French version had IS instead of AP, so people were hopeful.

[LD]

If Wafik says it it's A-OK because really it's just an objective view on things that could probably be tweaked. Someone else? Bah, to the cross with him.

Personally I enjoy Salvage.

I don't think you understood Ryko 100%.

On topic: Wafik's right.

Hmmmmm......



At any rate, low drop rates are a stupid road black that everyone knows is a serious problem that was created for the purpose of slowing gear progression.
It is a lousy time sink.
Whether it was placed to distract people from other game play issues or the lack of new things is up for debate, but it is not balance, it is simply frustration at this point.
Relic weapons are designed to be created very slowly, but there are people who can get those before they even hear about a ridill dropping.

We don't play this game because it's better than all of the other MMORPGs, nor because we hope that SE will one day fix it's errors. We play this game because 1) We have developed a persona on it and have social ties to others inside the game, and 2) We have nothing better to do.

That's bad.
This game should be worth playing, and it can be.
If I wanted a chat room, I woulda stayed on mIRC.
I play this game because I enjoy how it operates as a game.
How the damage is done and how abilities are calculated, this game is reasonably well made and is set in an beautiful world.
The main thing that ruins all that is gear & job requirements and allocation.
There are other problems too, but if that was fixed, this game could actually make some progress.
It wouldn't be restrained by all the problems it has and could actually create more engrossing and entertaining gameplay, instead of trying to work around them with a series of poorly thought out half-steps.

That's what progression really is, enjoying the game on a level you didn't before. Not getting a piece of equipment that may or may not make you significantly more effective in your chosen field or creating a monster or event that rejects/requires a certain job.

Maybe if PLD was adjusted so their hate was based a little more on the damage they did and less on the abilities they pumped out, they could be more accepted in exp PTs while retaining their original role.
Maybe if elemental resists on monsters were more of a factor and Divine spells didn't suck so much compared to other nukes, Holy (2) might actually be something powerful, like it was in some of the older games.
If everything weren’t weak to thunder & ice and lower ranked spells could scale more with lvl, maybe Stone wouldn’t be effectively worthless.
Maybe if DRG's could adjust the power of their jumps by deciding how long they were in the air, they wouldn't have to obsess over a 50% VIT mod.

Expanding a job while retaining your role. That is progression.

[Priran]

Maybe if elemental resists on monsters were more of a factor and Divine spells didn't suck so much compared to other nukes, Holy (2) might actually be something powerful, like it was in some of the older games.

used to be

[Ploid]

Very nice post LD, and I think that's part of the problem people have with job balance/effectiveness. It would be nice if all jobs were effective in all fights and exp (for example if a person had bst, drg, pup, whm, blm, and brd leveled. He'd never get to use the first 3 in most events other than maybe pup and salvage).

I'm waiting for the bst news. Though I like the way it is solo, I feel dirty thinking about exping it in a party. Maybe I'll get to try it with my social shell. People laugh at me when I try to get in ls merit groups, "You'll slow us down man" . I even have good gear for a bst, can't use it much solo or I slow myself down in the end.

I like how drg can shed people's hate during their 2hr. Maybe if they could do something to reduce hate of others a bit on the same timer as trick attack. Love how their subs effect the behavior of their wyvern also. It's a pretty neat ability.

[Sho]

Blue Mage Tier II....

[HAcoreRD]

Level 7 Besieged: Al Zahbi is under attack by all 3 beastman force, activate Apathy Overdrive and skill up all weapons with a cap of 215. Gadalar dies, Najelith dies, Zazarg dies, Mihli dies, Rughadjeen dies in that order. Hall of Binding bursts open, players crowd the Astral Plinth to take screenshots of themselves in front of the Astral Plinth to compliment their other screenshots taken in front of the same Astral Plinth last week. Players take screenshots of new monsters/NMs featured in Lv.7 attack, but an older monster will end up seizing the Astral Candescence just because life is funny like that. I call everyone in the zone a blithering faggot. /headdesk.

I assemble crew of the unwilling to go into beastmen stronghold to recover AC. Japanese group recovers AC moments before my group reaches the battlefield entrance, since we spent upwards of 3 hours farming the necessary items to enter the battlefield (lord knows how the JPs got items so soon). I lie, telling everyone we were successful in recovering the AC anyway so that I can reserve the right to call everyone in Al Zahbi a blithering faggot next time the AC is taken.

Fixed to accurately predict what will happen on day 1 of patch.

And I just know I'd be part of that crew...

But seriously, is other server's Al Zahbi filled with yawning faggots like sylph's?

I loathe besieged outside JP prime.

No one does Yawn anymore, and we've never even lost a Besieged. >.>

ppl still Yawn, however less and less every day, mostly because yawners get added to my blist.

As said before, on map the green tab is used in the mermaid ring side quest to find the dig spot, otherwise i used early on for your coupon. Worthless, no?

I'm satisfied with what SE gives us, then again, I progress in this game slow, maybe it's because i'm not fortunate enough to have those linkshells that can kill bahamut v2 in 2 minutes, or because I'm still enjoying older content. I never see Eco War shouts, however I do see the ocassional garrison. As mentioned earlier, yes it seems most players hate level caps, I certainly do as when I level....sorry, progress my job I only look forward. When I get that new item, I simply sell the replacement to fuel the next one I'll need, you can't blame players for avoiding garrisons if it only costs us gil to go back to lower levels.

ToA isn't bad, granted missions are easy, Shantotto (sp?) in the Khimera 13 fight was over kill, Dark Rider in the update implies a BC or just a CS, even then most players may find still you can't damage him unless you Voracious Trunk him or throw 15 Automatons at him, you know SE logic to like those new jobs. Everyone's buzzed about Alexander, maybe LV7 Besieged you need to stall the bestmen long enough for Alexander to come and fuck the beastmen up?

SE can't make everyone happy, or hit the target every time, so what would you guys be happy with more missions/end game events, content, or a tweak so you can mess a dragon up faster so you can go back to meritting?

[Dark Vincent]

Maybe if PLD was adjusted so their hate was based a little more on the damage they did and less on the abilities they pumped out, they could be more accepted in exp PTs while retaining their original role.

Yeah because PLD is too weak and useless in this game. They need more buffs This reminds me of ZAM. Wtf do you smoke? Why everytime someone talks about "balance" they mention Merit Party TP Burns as the prime example? Are Merit Parties your endgame?
I would hardly say PLD needs more adjustments, it's the TP Burn system that is not friendly to the job, and there is nowhere else where you can get comparable exp and would be friendly to them, you see BLMs and SMNs have good soloability and their own types of "burn" parties which balances things out since they are rejected off TP burn(not sure on SMN to be honest, just heard about it but never seen one). Hardly the Job's problem, more the monsters' designing.
I agree on DRG, PUP and a few others getting shafted, since they *are* supposed to be part of the tp burning crowd jobs.

EDIT: Zilong, funny you say that about Sylph's Besieged. Yesterday we lost the Astral Candy for the first time in almost 5 months, and it was JP time.

[LD]

Maybe if PLD was adjusted so their hate was based a little more on the damage they did and less on the abilities they pumped out, they could be more accepted in exp PTs while retaining their original role.

Yeaaaaa, that's a wonderful block of text you have there.
You did an awesome job of missing the point.

[Zilong]

EDIT: Zilong, funny you say that about Sylph's Besieged. Yesterday we lost the Astral Candy for the first time in almost 5 months, and it was JP time.

Point is, I don't have to deal with idiots having shouting match or telling everyone to go for the big boss when it's fucking obvious killing the pawn would end everything sooner.

Plus there is always that JP guy that give the status of the remaining besieged mob and the NM location.

Not saying JP is superior, I'm just saying that on JP prime, I can just ignore the shout since I'd need to do a double take if I wanna read it anyway. That and the status report shouter are waaay more sophisticated when the JP does it on sylph with number of mobs remaining, initials of the remaining NM, as opposed to one retard shouting gulool's location and telling everyone to go for the gold.

Yesterday we lost sylph's candy after 2-3 months or so

Of course I get to hear all about it, since our LS house Sylph's biggest Besieged fanatic...

Guess we're gonna break some mamool face tommorow.

[Credos]

EDIT: Zilong, funny you say that about Sylph's Besieged. Yesterday we lost the Astral Candy for the first time in almost 5 months, and it was JP time.

Point is, I don't have to deal with idiots having shouting match or telling everyone to go for the big boss when it's fucking obvious killing the pawn would end everything sooner.

Plus there is always that JP guy that give the status of the remaining besieged mob and the NM location.

Not saying JP is superior, I'm just saying that on JP prime, I can just ignore the shout since I'd need to do a double take if I wanna read it anyway. That and the status report shouter are waaay more sophisticated when the JP does it on sylph with number of mobs remaining, initials of the remaining NM, as opposed to one retard shouting gulool's location and telling everyone to go for the gold.

Yesterday we lost sylph's candy after 2-3 months or so

Of course I get to hear all about it, since our LS house Sylph's biggest Besieged fanatic...

Guess we're gonna break some mamool face tommorow.

This is my preemptive "Almalexia sorry I'm busy with LS event" post.

[Darkblood]

Im not sure why ppl have such a problem with PLD. Maybe you havent taken a DD PLD to exp at colibri/bugard camp. Easily chain over 100 with them doing respectable damage. If they have pokey blue sword, they're fine for that camp. The other 3 DDs need to be great I agree, but still.

[othellojr]

Level 7 Besieged: Al Zahbi is under attack by all 3 beastman force, activate Apathy Overdrive and skill up all weapons with a cap of 215. Gadalar dies, Najelith dies, Zazarg dies, Mihli dies, Rughadjeen dies in that order. Hall of Binding bursts open, players crowd the Astral Plinth to take screenshots of themselves in front of the Astral Plinth to compliment their other screenshots taken in front of the same Astral Plinth last week. Players take screenshots of new monsters/NMs featured in Lv.7 attack, but an older monster will end up seizing the Astral Candescence just because life is funny like that. I call everyone in the zone a blithering faggot. /headdesk.

I assemble crew of the unwilling to go into beastmen stronghold to recover AC. Japanese group recovers AC moments before my group reaches the battlefield entrance, since we spent upwards of 3 hours farming the necessary items to enter the battlefield (lord knows how the JPs got items so soon). I lie, telling everyone we were successful in recovering the AC anyway so that I can reserve the right to call everyone in Al Zahbi a blithering faggot next time the AC is taken.

Fixed to accurately predict what will happen on day 1 of patch.

And I just know I'd be part of that crew...

But seriously, is other server's Al Zahbi filled with yawning faggots like sylph's?

I loathe besieged outside JP prime.

Asura looses the ass candy quite regularly (maybe once a week, or every other week), and somehow, we still have idiots that like to shout yawn as well...they are the reason I enjoy nuking charmed players during undead attack, even if it costs Asura the candy, I will nuke them until I run out of mp, use items for mp, nuke, manafont, rest and hope I can nuke some more, fuck the idiots during Besieged.

[Rocl]

Aphmau as hot as ever.

She's slightly older than me so it's okay for me to think that.

oh ho ho?
If Aphamu is 15 then

IT'S YOU!!!

Answer me >\

[Sidanoir]

Rocl I'll answer your sig

MBing Fire on Nidhogg is worse because noobs and random botters should not be allowed to fight him

Although waterga III on frag is pretty bad >.>

Coincidentally..
There are a few idiot LS on my server that constanly nuke Aspid with Thunder.....
Fafnir with Blizzard..
Tiamat with blizzard....
And god knows what else they do when i dont see them

They also try to Slow and Elegy aspid >.> and paralyze tiamat <.< so ya!

[Rocl]

Good thing neither were my LS!

I wanted to change my sig every day but since this I'll leave it up a while longer

[Sidanoir]

They weren't from my LS either

They are from 2 other LS on my server that actually claimed kings due to bots and we let fight Tiamat because the comedy of them fighting is greater than us killing (and then can kill when they wipe )..

Sad thing is they have a lot more King gear than us ..just no skillz to back it up!