To those who aren't from the USlol

[Kuya]

Having personal experience, and conversations with the people there?

Yes.

"The Western culture is what you call a sin. It needs to be purged. We are taught this"
That is what I was told by an Iraqi military policeman I was training while serving. You tell me...


I sum it up as this:

It is easier to do the easier wrong, than the harder right. I stand behind my President.

You're confusing America hating with terrorism, two different things. Besides, EVERYBODY in the world says that.

exageration of course

[finale23]

Give me defined examples and I'll listen to your arguement.

Those are generic accusations - I want to hear specific instances.


Please, dont get me wrong. I am interested in your side of this debate, Im simply asking for clarity.

there are so many i don't know where to begin. case in point, warrentless wiretapping, it's against the constitution and a felony. ever heard of watergate? wireless wiretapping is like watergate +10.

(Many Federal judges) had (bush administration, namely the presidently who orchastrated and authorized the whole thing) “undisputedly violated” not only the First and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution, but also statutory law, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

more here, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/opini ... nd&emc=rss

[Jerseyprophet]

"The Western culture is what you call a sin. It needs to be purged. We are taught this"

Therefore we should purge the fuckers first, amirite!

Someone is standing on your front lawn claiming you need to die, for whatever reason.

Your family's life is treatened.

Will you say "Well, two wrongs dont equal a right, I wont do anything."


Two wrongs dont equal a right, but we never said we'd kill them for any reason. We said that they will not choose who lives and dies, they will not threaten us.


Fnale23, that is a great example, and I do not know how to respond. It may not relate to the war on Iraq, but I still don't know how to argue it.

Remember that I never claimed Pres. Bush to be perfect, or said what he has done was 100% correct - I said it was unAmerican to disrespect his position as the President of our Country.

[finale23]

Having personal experience, and conversations with the people there?

Yes.

"The Western culture is what you call a sin. It needs to be purged. We are taught this"

That is what I was told by an Iraqi military policeman I was training while serving. You tell me...


I sum it up as this:

It is easier to do the easier wrong, than the harder right. I stand behind my President.

you mean they deserve to have their home invaded because they have a couple AKs? comon, you can find those in american homes.

[finale23]

"The Western culture is what you call a sin. It needs to be purged. We are taught this"

Therefore we should purge the fuckers first, amirite!

Someone is standing on your front lawn claiming you need to die, for whatever reason.

Your family's life is treatened.

Will you say "Well, two wrongs dont equal a right, I wont do anything."


Two wrongs dont equal a right, but we never said we'd kill them for any reason. We said that they will not choose who lives and dies, they will not threaten us.

iraqs attacked american soil? did i miss a memo?

[Kuya]

"The Western culture is what you call a sin. It needs to be purged. We are taught this"

Therefore we should purge the fuckers first, amirite!

Someone is standing on your front lawn claiming you need to die, for whatever reason.

Your family's life is treatened.

Will you say "Well, two wrongs dont equal a right, I wont do anything."


Two wrongs dont equal a right, but we never said we'd kill them for any reason. We said that they will not choose who lives and dies, they will not threaten us.

Again, alot of people in the middle east say they hate america, but most would not strap bombs into themselves and blow you up, actions do not equal words.

And if you go by this logic, you'd have to destroy the whole world, you are the strongest country in the world, everybody is gonna threaten you for one reason or another.

[Jerseyprophet]

I dont think a few dozen AK-47s is "a couple", sir, do you?

Those AKs will lead to American deaths. People are dying, and we are fighting.

And if they werent a big deal, as you say, why didnt the media report us finding them at all?

You dont have to support Pres. Bush to support us, the soldiers - fighting for you in every sense of the word.

[Jerseyprophet]

iraqs attacked american soil? did i miss a memo?

New York City.

[finale23]

"The Western culture is what you call a sin. It needs to be purged. We are taught this"

Therefore we should purge the fuckers first, amirite!

Someone is standing on your front lawn claiming you need to die, for whatever reason.

Your family's life is treatened.

Will you say "Well, two wrongs dont equal a right, I wont do anything."


Two wrongs dont equal a right, but we never said we'd kill them for any reason. We said that they will not choose who lives and dies, they will not threaten us.


Fnale23, that is a great example, and I do not know how to respond. It may not relate to the war on Iraq, but I still don't know how to argue it.

Remember that I never claimed Pres. Bush to be perfect, or said what he has done was 100% correct - I said it was unAmerican to disrespect his position as the President of our Country.

we despise and disrespect bush is because he and his administration are butchering our constitutional rights that our soilders, like youself, die protecting in other part of the world.

[Anyway]

iraqs attacked american soil? did i miss a memo?

New York City.

Al-Qaeda =/= Iraq.

[aurik]

iraqs attacked american soil? did i miss a memo?

New York City.

None of the hijackers involved in 9/11 were Iraqi if I recall correctly.

[Kuya]

iraqs attacked american soil? did i miss a memo?

New York City.

Oh god no...

[aurik]

"The Western culture is what you call a sin. It needs to be purged. We are taught this"

Therefore we should purge the fuckers first, amirite!

Someone is standing on your front lawn claiming you need to die, for whatever reason.

Nobody is standing on my lawn. The people claiming that I need to die are standing on their lawn, and as long as they're there and not here then I don't care what they claim.

[finale23]

iraqs attacked american soil? did i miss a memo?

New York City.

sorry to rain on your parade. iraq has nothing to do with alquda(sp?) or 9/11.

[Jerseyprophet]

You do not remember correctly. Several were from Iraq.

I am not an expert on the people behind 911, I dont pretend to be. However, I have been shot at by Al Queda insurgents on the streets of Bahgdad - and I know that much.

I can only speak from my own experiences.

Guys, I dont want people to suffer any more than you do. My job, as a soldier, is to follow the orders that we believe is to protect the people of my country, and friendly countries.

We've made mistakes, and we've also made a dramatic difference in the lives of the Iraqi people - and just like everything else Ive said, I say that from the experience of standing in their streets and seeing their gratitude.

You cant make an omelate without breaking eggshells - "the army isnt a razor, its a broad sword".


this is a picture of us giving a speech at a convention in Bahgdad, and we were told it was the first gathering in 3 decades that we (soldiers overseas) were not required to carry a sidearm for fear of attacks....

Sorry its blurry. Im the second from the left (lol -- the girl!!!1)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...t/DSCF1842.jpg


How can you say we HAVENT made a difference for them?


...and why do I look crosseyed?

[aurik]

You do not remember correctly. Several were from Iraq.

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers ... 01_attacks

Most of them were Saudi. Of course, the Saudi regime is "friendly" to the US , so you don't see us invading that country.

[RuBP]

You do not remember correctly. Several were from Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers ... 01_attacks

mostly saudi

[Jerseyprophet]

mostly?


do you base everything from what you've read from random people submitting posts online?

That website is notorious for false info.

Either way, I have first hand experience that there are Al Queda members in Iraq, very much so, and have fucking SHOT at me. They are there, and our intelligence shows evidence that is the MAIN source of operation.

[finale23]

You do not remember correctly. Several were from Iraq.

I am not an expert on the people behind 911, I dont pretend to be. However, I have been shot at by Al Queda insurgents on the streets of Bahgdad - and I know that much.

I can only speak from my own experiences.

Guys, I dont want people to suffer any more than you do. My job, as a soldier, is to follow the orders that we believe is to protect the people of my country, and friendly countries.

you do know we went to war with iraq was because the bush administration claimed that iraqis had WMDs and were an imminent threat to US. it had nothing to do with 9/11. did you personally find any WMDs there?

[Jerseyprophet]

No, I did not.

It's my personal opionion that if they had WMD they would use them.