Naruto

[Ivaden]

How else could you explain it, if not immortality? Orochimaru was more or less immortal in the sense he was capable of switching bodies to continue living, don't see why Madara couldn't do it either given the fact how much he's god modded already.

But I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I just hope however it turns out isn't completely retarded. Good luck Kishimoto.

[Maguspk]

Can someone link me to the start of Kakashi Gaiden / End of Pre-Time Skip Naruto? I never read it and since it wasn't covered in the Anime I feel like I'm missing out a bit on some cool information about the 4th and such. I started reading around the time Sakura/Chiyo were fighting Sasori so I think I missed some stuff. Thanks in advance.

[Man0warr]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/239/01/

[Vaspinne]

How do you figure his "spirit lived on" the fuck are you smoking? If that's true then he's invincible which is retarded.

I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled a Voldemort and had his soul linger around the globe for a while until finding another body >_>

[The_OG_Nelta]

madara was defeated by the 1st hokage and he died, but since he had the perfected mangekyou his spirit lived on until he found poor obito's dead body, and seeing as how the body still had one sharingan eye left he decided to take over the body and live on, producing tobi. he will make sasuke achieve full mangekyou (both eyes), then use his own mangekyou and fusion-ha to become madara v2.0 and take over the world, backstabbing akatsuki and devouring the ninja world.

We dont' even know if it is really Obito's body. We never saw his 2nd eye because of the Amaeratsu that Sasuke used on Tobi.

[yayaok]

just a thought is all lol
cant wait for this week's chapter

[Turambar]

just a thought is all lol
cant wait for this week's chapter

I thought there's still another 2 weeks of no manga?

[yayaok]

what the fuck seriously? i thought it was 1 week off... shit

[Maguspk]

Wow Kakashi Gaiden was awesome. So glad I went back and read that, thanks for the link.

I am curious though, what happened to Rin, did she die later on or something? You'd think she'd have a bigger role seeing as how Kakashi promised to die protecting her before he ever let her die. Also, why doesn't Kakashi use that Chakra Blade anymore, it's badass.

P.S. The body flicker technique that the 4th uses is it's own ability, the Kunai he says are just special types that alert him with a jutsu when they fly. So they just help him time his body flickers from one place to another when he can't necessarily see where he's going, but he can definitely body flicker without the Kunai. I hope the god Naruto get's this, it's fucking badass.

[Takie]

Can Sasuke use body flicker as well or is he just that damn fast? I remember something about Yamato saying he concentrates chakra underneath his feet for quick movement, but I can't find it >_<;

[nivlakian]

Also, why doesn't Kakashi use that Chakra Blade anymore, it's badass.

It broke on page 3 of ch244.

[Man0warr]

I am curious though, what happened to Rin, did she die later on or something? You'd think she'd have a bigger role seeing as how Kakashi promised to die protecting her before he ever let her die.

She is presumed dead, as Kakashi tells Sasuke that all his precious people are dead.

As for Body Flicker, I don't think what Sasuke does could be considered the same. The 4th could basically teleport, it's more like a space/time jutsu, he used the special kunai for accuracy but he can probably do it if he knows the location he wants to teleport to.

It might even be his bloodline ability, seeing as how it seems to be pretty unique and no one else has been shown to be able to do it, if anyone could it would be Kakashi as he saw it in action many times before/after getting his Sharingan, but Sharingan can't copy bloodline abilities. So maybe Naruto will be able to do it since hes his son.

[Turambar]

As for Body Flicker, I don't think what Sasuke does could be considered the same. The 4th could basically teleport, it's more like a space/time jutsu, he used the special kunai for accuracy but he can probably do it if he knows the location he wants to teleport to.

I was under the impression that Body Flicker was just Naruto's word for the usual shonen manga "move so fast they're invisible" ability, like Bleach's Shunpo or DBZ's Zanzoken. It's certainly not unique to the 4th, because that guy Itachi killed for his mangekyo was supposedly famous for his proficiency with Body Flicker. Also, isn't the 4th's teleportation thing called Hiraishin or something like that?

[Man0warr]

I thought what you were referring to when you said Body Flicker was his jutsu, the only time i've seen it called that is in the Kakashi Gaiden so I was confused. What I was describing was his unique jutsu "Hiraishin no Jutsu", (Flying Thunder God technique) which allowed him to teleport anywhere without notice by the use of a special seal.

He uses another technique that doesn't require the seal, which is why he got the name "Yellow Flash". I'm not sure why they translated it as Body Flicker because the japanese translates to "Shunshin no Jutsu" which in english would be Flash Master Technique (Shun = Flash, Shin = Master/god/goddess), which incidentally is also Yourichi's title in Bleach, Shunshin Yoruichi because she is the goddess of shunpo (flash step).

So basically the 4th uses 2 different types of movement jutsu, his teleportation jutsu "Hiraishin" to instantly teleport anywhere as long as that spot has one of his special kunai, and he also happens to be a master of Shunshin, which I guess every ninja can use but he was called the fastest.

[BRP]

I don't know, but I remember Kakashi talking to someone over the grave of all those ninjia who died. I can't pinpoint when, it's a faint memory. It was a girl, who I assumed was Rin.

If Rin became apart of ANBU(Root especially) where her identity is sealed/destroyed, isn't it possible see can be consider dead?

[Man0warr]

That girl is Yugao Uzuki.

She is a member of the Konoha ANBU and Hayate Gekko's lover. After Hayate is killed by Baki, Yugao swears to avenge him, though it is unknown if she actually knows who killed him. She was a member of the ANBU squad of Kakashi Hatake when he was a member, along with Yamato.

[Maguspk]

I thought what you were referring to when you said Body Flicker was his jutsu, the only time i've seen it called that is in the Kakashi Gaiden so I was confused. What I was describing was his unique jutsu "Hiraishin no Jutsu", (Flying Thunder God technique) which allowed him to teleport anywhere without notice by the use of a special seal.

He uses another technique that doesn't require the seal, which is why he got the name "Yellow Flash". I'm not sure why they translated it as Body Flicker because the japanese translates to "Shunshin no Jutsu" which in english would be Flash Master Technique (Shun = Flash, Shin = Master/god/goddess), which incidentally is also Yourichi's title in Bleach, Shunshin Yoruichi because she is the goddess of shunpo (flash step).

So basically the 4th uses 2 different types of movement jutsu, his teleportation jutsu "Hiraishin" to instantly teleport anywhere as long as that spot has one of his special kunai, and he also happens to be a master of Shunshin, which I guess every ninja can use but he was called the fastest.

Where did you read about the Flying Thunder God Technique? I don't remember it being mentioned. The only page that mentions how the Kunai works is when the 4th is explaining to Kakashi how he survived and rescued him. He says, this kunai is a special type with a jutsu that alerts me when it flies. It isn't needed for the teleport at all, it's just an alert so he can time the flickers apparently or something.

I like whoever mentioned that it might be a bloodline since Kakashi can't use it and he has the Sharingan to copy it. It makes perfect sense, hopefully it really was a bloodline.

[Turambar]

I like whoever mentioned that it might be a bloodline since Kakashi can't use it and he has the Sharingan to copy it. It makes perfect sense, hopefully it really was a bloodline.

Well, it's equally likely that Kakashi never copied it because he never had a chance. The beginning of the arc says it takes place "around 10 years ago", which means it couldn't have been all that long between the time he got the Sharingan and the time the 4th died.

[Man0warr]

Where did you read about the Flying Thunder God Technique? I don't remember it being mentioned. The only page that mentions how the Kunai works is when the 4th is explaining to Kakashi how he survived and rescued him. He says, this kunai is a special type with a jutsu that alerts me when it flies. It isn't needed for the teleport at all, it's just an alert so he can time the flickers apparently or something.

Looking at Naruto Databook (an omake directly form the manga writer), it described the Hiraishin no Jutsu as a S rank technique that surpasses the Shunshin no Jutsu (a D rank) and that it requires a seal (jutsu-shiki) that can be applied to a weapon or can be left on a touched area, lets say an enemies body. The jutsu itself takes on the principles of a summoning technique, transporting him to where ever the seal lies. You can confirm this by looking at the Kakashi Gaiden pages, whenever Yondaime uses the technique he "poofs" next to location/person, with white smoke coming out just like when you use a kuchiyose no jutsu.

As for Rin calling it the Shunshin no Jutsu... it could either be a translation error... or that she doesn't actually know of the Hiraishin thus assumes the other based on the similar appearance of the two jutsu.

Ch 242 page 4 Yondi orders the four remaining men to throw quite a few kunai towards the rock-nin. Each kunai was shaped like and had the same writing of the one given to Kakashi.

Ch 244 page 12 Kakashi takes out the kunai that Yondi gave him. Yondi is assumed to have come from the battlefield back to them to save Rin and Kakashi.

Anyways... thats my point of view on Hiraishin vs Shunshin matter.

As for the name of the Hiraishin... Well, Yondi says the kunai alerts him when it is flying. The Thunder stricks quickly and powerfully, he stricks quickly and powerfully killing off multiple opponents. And well the technique doesn't seem to have any restrictions to range so he can basically go where he wants with the seals... hence a god.

[Takie]

http://www.dattebayo.com/t/ns056.torrent