Naruto

[Turambar]

Manga chapter 316, and episode 55 state that Mokuton is a bloodline ability:

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/vherring/bloodline.JPG

It kinda makes me wonder what elements Sharin/Byaku/Rinne-gan are.

[Akiyama]

It is a bloodline. The combining of two natures is the reason Sharingan cannot copy Bloodline abilities, because even if you could copy it, you don't have the nature affinity to use it. Yamato was made from the first's DNA, and is the only Mokuton user remaining. Kakashi explains this when training Naruto in the last episode - For example, Haku's "Ice Release" is a bloodline ability that combines water and wind.

Hrm. I thought it was just a rare jutsu type that had just become "extinct" ior something. There are plenty of "Ice Release" jutsu out there (Hyoton) and what not, but none with Mokuton, so that's why I thought that Orochimaru made all those clones from the First's DNA, to get another. I suppose I misunderstood and misremembered. (lolRogerClemens)

Edit: Ah, I guess I'm mistaken then. Sorry.

Edit2: I could see Sharingan being part fire obviously. Byakugan maybe wind and Rinnegan possibly water? I dunno though, really. D:

[Man0warr]

I think those are just a type of bloodline ability. A bloodline ability is just a inherited genetic trait, which doesn't mean the doujutsu (sharingan, etc) have to have a chakra nature. Bloodline ability is just the overarching term for any unique ability passed down through genetics, whether it being able to create a new nature element by combining two natures or having an eye technique.

Most jounin and higher can use more than one chakra nature, for example, 4th hokage using earth and water at the same time to make a mud slide, but he didn't create a new element, its just mud. Creating a new element, for example earth + water = wood or water + wind = ice is the bloodline ability.

[Maguspk]

I think those are just a type of bloodline ability. A bloodline ability is just a inherited genetic trait, which doesn't mean the doujutsu (sharingan, etc) have to have a chakra nature. Bloodline ability is just the overarching term for any unique ability passed down through genetics, whether it being able to create a new nature element by combining two natures or having an eye technique.

Most jounin and higher can use more than one chakra nature, for example, 4th hokage using earth and water at the same time to make a mud slide, but he didn't create a new element, its just mud. Creating a new element, for example earth + water = wood or water + wind = ice is the bloodline ability.

The fuck? A rock slide...? When.

[Akiyama]

I think those are just a type of bloodline ability. A bloodline ability is just a inherited genetic trait, which doesn't mean the doujutsu (sharingan, etc) have to have a chakra nature. Bloodline ability is just the overarching term for any unique ability passed down through genetics, whether it being able to create a new nature element by combining two natures or having an eye technique.

Most jounin and higher can use more than one chakra nature, for example, 4th hokage using earth and water at the same time to make a mud slide, but he didn't create a new element, its just mud. Creating a new element, for example earth + water = wood or water + wind = ice is the bloodline ability.

You mean the Third? >.>; Sarutobi~

Anyway, yeah. I know what a Bloodline is, and how it's obtained... I just didn't think about how it could be used in other ways such as creating an entirely new element. I suppose I should've thought about Haku though. Ah well.

He means the Third in the fight with Orochimaru and First/Second in the Chuunin arc.

[Man0warr]

Yeah I meant the 3rd.

[Eaglestrike]

The Uchiha can control the Kyubi and the First's clan can supress Kyubi with Mokuton, thats why they were the two strongest clans.

Still, ordering Itachi to kill his whole clan doesn't seem like something the 3rd would do. Madara's story has some holes so far.

Well, Madara never stated the 3rd ordered it. He said the 3rd KNEW about it. That could very well be the reason danzo and the 3rd had so much bad blood. Danzo ordered it and made it happen, the 3rd was very against it and it caused the split we still see today in Konoha. That seems completely possible and doesn't wildly change anything about the main people we know.

[Maguspk]

Would also explain why Danzo had Sasuke on the list of prime assasination targets. That little Uchiha he let live leaving the watchful eye of the village was very dangerous to whatever they were trying to prevent the Uchiha from possible doing.

[Beckwin]

Would also explain why Danzo had Sasuke on the list of prime assasination targets. That little Uchiha he let live leaving the watchful eye of the village was very dangerous to whatever they were trying to prevent the Uchiha from possible doing.

This makes sense; it also makes sense that Sasuke was able to stay alive as long as he did- under the protection of the Third and eventually landing on Team Kakashi (where the other at-risk youth Naruto landed; under the supervision of Konoha's best resident jounin).

Itachi inspired the hatred in Sasuke so he could remain ignorant of the uglier truth and to motivate him to get strong enough to protect himself- and he was willing to sacrifice the relationship with Sasuke to do so.

[Slapper]

n/m

[Warudo Ecksu]

sry idk if anyone has asked this yet but has anyone found a torrent to the shippuuden movie that was released on dvd in japan this past week with english subs? I downloaded the movie earlier just to find it had no subs, well english ones at least lol

[Man0warr]

DB might release it soon

[Boyiee]

Since no one answered.

Rinnegan has the ability to control any jutsu and use all 6 elements. We only know of 3 people that posses(d) it. Pain, Nagato, and the "founder of the ninja world" with it being the strongest of all 3 eye techniques.

I'm pretty sure most, if not all jounin of the leaf can use 2 elements, in fact it might even be required but I'm not gonna look it up. And no one can control 3 elemtents or something like that, with the exception of Rinnengan users.

[Ivaden]

About Mokuton since I was wrong: so much for trusting wikipedia for a quick answer.

Still, even though it was clearly explained to be a bloodline by Kakashi, I'm honestly not convinced. Has there been any other bloodlines that skipped generations? I doubt, being a descendant of the First, Tsunade would willingly not take advantage of the bloodline. I honestly couldn't think that something like that would just "wear off" throughout generations.

[LinktheDeme]

Since no one answered.

Rinnegan has the ability to control any jutsu and use all 6 elements. We only know of 3 people that posses(d) it. Pain, Nagato, and the "founder of the ninja world" with it being the strongest of all 3 eye techniques.

I'm pretty sure most, if not all jounin of the leaf can use 2 elements, in fact it might even be required but I'm not gonna look it up. And no one can control 3 elemtents or something like that, with the exception of Rinnengan users.

Pretty sure the third hokage used 3 possibly all 5.

There's only 5 elements i thought? Wind, Earth, Fire, Water, Lightning

[Boyiee]

Well, I shoulda typed that more specifically. I also included summoning jutsu's, which are a part of the rinnegans ability to use "all jutsu's." You also made me have to look it up instead of just going from my memory, wiki states it as "chakra-nature manipulation" which makes it easier to understand I guess.

edit: nvm on my 2nd part, i dont feel like trying to figure it out.

[Turambar]

Since no one answered.

Rinnegan has the ability to control any jutsu and use all 6 elements. We only know of 3 people that posses(d) it. Pain, Nagato, and the "founder of the ninja world" with it being the strongest of all 3 eye techniques.

I'm pretty sure most, if not all jounin of the leaf can use 2 elements, in fact it might even be required but I'm not gonna look it up. And no one can control 3 elemtents or something like that, with the exception of Rinnengan users.

Pretty sure the third hokage used 3 possibly all 5.

There's only 5 elements i thought? Wind, Earth, Fire, Water, Lightning

I remember him using Fire and Earth, but not Lightning or Wind. There was a lot of water around, so he may have used that, but I don't remember offhand.

Kakashi on the other hand, has been shown to Earth, Water, Lightning, and I think Fire (although I can't remember where exactly).

[Akiyama]

Since no one answered.

Rinnegan has the ability to control any jutsu and use all 6 elements. We only know of 3 people that posses(d) it. Pain, Nagato, and the "founder of the ninja world" with it being the strongest of all 3 eye techniques.

I'm pretty sure most, if not all jounin of the leaf can use 2 elements, in fact it might even be required but I'm not gonna look it up. And no one can control 3 elemtents or something like that, with the exception of Rinnengan users.

Pretty sure the third hokage used 3 possibly all 5.

There's only 5 elements i thought? Wind, Earth, Fire, Water, Lightning

I remember him using Fire and Earth, but not Lightning or Wind. There was a lot of water around, so he may have used that, but I don't remember offhand.

Kakashi on the other hand, has been shown to Earth, Water, Lightning, and I think Fire (although I can't remember where exactly).

Yes, but some of the ones that Kakashi uses don't count because he's copied them with the Sharingan. Right?

[LinktheDeme]

I really dont think theres a rule against 3 just that people can develop to learn more than one.

[Turambar]

Yes, but some of the ones that Kakashi uses don't count because he's copied them with the Sharingan. Right?

Well, if he isn't physically capable of performing a jutsu, he wouldn't be able to copy it. Tajuu Kage Bunshin is an obvious example of this. I think Sharingan users just show that it's theoretically possible for any normal (i.e. no kekkei genkai) ninja to learn how to use all 5 basic elements. It's just very hard to learn how to use types other than their "base" (i.e. whatever those cards show), which is why you only see "uber" characters like Kakashi, 3rd Hokage, and Orochimaru doing it regularly.