Naruto

**Maguspk** · 2009-01-30 23:23

The clone didn't disappear it was reverse summoned wasn't it?

**aru** · 2009-01-30 23:36

yea, reversed summoned. that's what that whole thing with tossing that big scroll around

**Zilong** · 2009-01-31 00:42

Though it does makes you wonder, why can't he just deactivate the clone straight from myobokuzan instead of going through the reverse summoning process to retain its chakra...

I guess chakra is some sort of physical matter that has some limitation for travel

Either that or I just killed a bunch of catgirls by applying physics to animu.

**Vajra** · 2009-01-31 00:58

Someone made this analogy on mangahelpers, "Lightning strikes the ocean, if your near the strike area at time of the lightning strike, you get fried, but if you're far away (but still in the ocean), then u wont even feel a static shock."

So yeah that's how it works, Naruto can only gain the Nature-Molded-Chakra only if he dispels the clones that are within the vicinity.

**Xno Kappa** · 2009-01-31 09:34

Originally Posted by Vajra

Someone made this analogy on mangahelpers, "Lightning strikes the ocean, if your near the strike area at time of the lightning strike, you get fried, but if you're far away (but still in the ocean), then u wont even feel a static shock."

So yeah that's how it works, Naruto can only gain the Nature-Molded-Chakra only if he dispels the clones that are within the vicinity.

Seems like a pretty fit analogy.

I'm amazed how Kishi created this sense of Naruto and Pain being so similar yet so vastly different. Makes the fight just that much more epic.

**Ratatapa** · 2009-01-31 10:26

as far as reverse summoning, i never saw Naruto doing exemple 3 clone and depop 2 of em, when he depop his clone it's almost always all of em so.

And maybe the depop doesnt work cuz they are too far

**Xrave** · 2009-01-31 17:56

The explanation still doesn't make sense.

There is always nature chakra around you, the toads explained this during Naruto's training. Naruto just has to stand still to absorb it. When Naruto went out of Sage mode, he had used up all his nature chakra so in order to gain more he would have to meditate (what the clones were doing at the mountain). The reverse summon just summoned the clone from the mountain to where Naruto was and then Naruto released the clone. This doesn't explain how Naruto suddenly got back into Sage mode because chakra doesn't transfer from a clone back to the original and Naruto would have to remain still to gather more nature chakra to get back into Sage mode.

**Boyiee** · 2009-01-31 18:07

Is it nature "Chakra" or nature "Energy".

I think bad translations are making this difficult for people, and rightfully so.

**Ratatapa** · 2009-01-31 18:37

They maybe did like the training with Kakashi, Remember when Naruto learned about shape manipulation with kakashi?

They sent a clone in the woods to play rock paper scissors, so that Naruto would get his "knowledge" without beeing there.

i guess it work with Sage mode too

**Maguspk** · 2009-01-31 23:17

Originally Posted by Xrave

...This doesn't explain how Naruto suddenly got back into Sage mode because chakra doesn't transfer from a clone back to the original and Naruto would have to remain still to gather more nature chakra to get back into Sage mode.

No, see this is where you and everybody else is plain wrong. The clones have the chakra Naruto has. They are, for all intents and purposes, identical to Naruto in chakra and they spread the chakra over each other. When a clone is released the chakra doesn't just go nowhere, it goes back to Naruto. This would explain why knowledge passes; people are looking at it the wrong way, "Knowledge passes so I guess chakra does too." No, the chakra is the only thing that goes back and with that chakra the life force or experiences or whatever, goes back to Naruto also. It wasn't explained perfectly clearly but good story telling very rarely involves telling the reader exactly what is going on, you need to deduce things sometimes and honestly, it isn't hard to see what happened and accept it.

The author isn't going to fucking explain everything Naruto does in detail so that you can say "Oh ok, that makes sense." That'd just be plain boring.

**aru** · 2009-01-31 23:17

where has it been said that chakra doesnt get sent back from a popped clone?

**Xrave** · 2009-02-01 03:13

If it does get sent back then there would be no downside to the technique. Once a clone goes away the orignal person would be back at his normal chakra levels.

All throughout the story the people who could use shadow clones never use it more than one or two times (if at all) because it splits your remaining chakra and you lose it to the clones (don't get it back after they're gone). Knowledge yea, power no.

This is specifically clarified when Kakashi is showing Naruto how knowledge is transfered - he specifically points out that he doesn't have the chakra that Naruto does to use shadow clones as much as Naruto can. If the chakra came back then Kakashi would be able to make clones whenever he wants since you get the chakra returned afterwards.

**Eaglestrike** · 2009-02-01 03:33

Originally Posted by Xrave

If it does get sent back then there would be no downside to the technique. Once a clone goes away the orignal person would be back at his normal chakra levels.

All throughout the story the people who could use shadow clones never use it more than one or two times (if at all) because it splits your remaining chakra and you lose it to the clones (don't get it back after they're gone). Knowledge yea, power no.

This is specifically clarified when Kakashi is showing Naruto how knowledge is transfered - he specifically points out that he doesn't have the chakra that Naruto does to use shadow clones as much as Naruto can. If the chakra came back then Kakashi would be able to make clones whenever he wants since you get the chakra returned afterwards.

I believe Kakashi not having the chakra is more about him not having the amount of chakra to create many clones. Being able to make as many clones as Naruto typically does is mostly unique to Naruto because of his chakra supply. Kakashi in particular is TERRIBLE with chakra reserves and his sharingan rapes it like no other. Someone else splitting their chakra to make 3-4 solid clones can be taxing to try and fight on the same level as they normally do, for Naruto it's not.

As well, most likely just doing the technique does expend a certain amount of chakra, which may be a fair amount for normal people but not a whole lot for Naruto. I'd venture to say that he loses a portion of his chakra depending on how the clones used it up.

**Maguspk** · 2009-02-01 03:39

Originally Posted by Xrave

If it does get sent back then there would be no downside to the technique. Once a clone goes away the orignal person would be back at his normal chakra levels.

All throughout the story the people who could use shadow clones never use it more than one or two times (if at all) because it splits your remaining chakra and you lose it to the clones (don't get it back after they're gone). Knowledge yea, power no.

This is specifically clarified when Kakashi is showing Naruto how knowledge is transfered - he specifically points out that he doesn't have the chakra that Naruto does to use shadow clones as much as Naruto can. If the chakra came back then Kakashi would be able to make clones whenever he wants since you get the chakra returned afterwards.

You realize you're arguing the wrong side? If it happened you shouldn't be trying to explain why it can't happen you should be smart and try to figure out why it happened.

Naruto 412 page 009 | One Manga

Frog warns Naruto if one clone turns into a Frog he will turn into a frog when the clone is released. It's the experience of the clone that is sent back to Naruto, oh wait experience, I think someone mentioned that earlier, oh yeah that's right:

Originally Posted by Maguspk

No, the chakra is the only thing that goes back and with that chakra the life force or experiences or whatever, goes back to Naruto also.

Also, Kakashi can only do one clone because his chakra pool is considerably smaller than Naruto. It doesn't mean the chakra doesn't come back it just means there's a cost associated with using the jutsu in addition to the chakra allocated to the clone. It isn't a hard concept to consider. Even still, let's forget I even mentioned the chakra going back to the user, the experiences are going back somehow and we don't need to argue that is happening because we've seen it multiple times.

**yayaok** · 2009-02-01 03:46

could it be, maybe there's a difference of return between if the clone is cancelled by will or by an attack?

for example, there are times when naruto releases a clone after it's use, like for rasengan making or info recon and times when he uses them for zerging (and a fuckton of them poof away)...

ps:

It doesn't mean the chakra doesn't come back it just means there's a cost associated with using the jutsu in addition to the chakra allocated to the clone.

i think this is a good sentence to point out for ppl confused about kagebunshin

**The_OG_Nelta** · 2009-02-01 12:45

Kakashi can't only do "One" clone, he can do a good amount, like in the Zabuza Arc. Unless i'm reading wrong and you are just trying to state something o.o; if so then ignore me

**Parshias** · 2009-02-01 12:56

Of course the chakra comes back when the clone is destroyed, otherwise Kage Bunshin would be just about the worst technique in existence. Who wants to spend a full HALF of their chakra just for a clone that isn't as strong as they are that dies in one hit? That's dumb.

The reason others don't use them that often or in such an amount as Naruto does is because each clone is generally pretty weak. The Third could only make two or so, because any more and the clones probably wouldn't do much more than die instantly. Kakashi made a whole bunch at the end of the Zabuza arc, but those were for intimidation, not for fighting. And past that, Kakashi mostly just spawns one to fake someone out when it dies, not as a combat aide.

**Draggy** · 2009-02-01 13:48

I think the ones Kakashi made @ zabuza arc were only normal clones (not kage bunshin) he was just doing it to scare them off

**Draggy** · 2009-02-04 09:08

Seen this spoiler on a couple of sites -

Spoiler: show

like, errr...

**Khalil** · 2009-02-04 09:12

Originally Posted by Draggy

Seen this spoiler on a couple of sites -

Spoiler: show

like, errr...

Spoiler: show

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