Naruto

**Khajit** · 2009-08-29 21:52

If you remember when orichimaru fucked with the seal then you'll remember that having the kyuubu&seal ruins Naruto's chakra control. Ripping out a part of the seal made things worse since the sea was made to at least TRY and make it possible to use his own chakra. So yes Naruto would be a monster on his own without the kyubii.
The reason naruto was alot weaker in the beginning was because the seal/beast made it much much harder to do even simple jutsu than was normal for other ninjas. Without anyone with the sharringan/byakugan (other than Hinata who was too busy being distracted for obvious reasons)around to notice and tell him he never got told as a result not even factoring in the "dont tell him" rule. Even then it might be hard to notice his chakra being all screwy since they could attribute it to naruto sucking at chakra control naturally. He also had to use more chakra than normal to do anything because of the disruptions so Naruto had the deck stacked against him as far as reaching his potential power went.
He's ridiculously strong now since he can control it decently and knows how to use it properly. When Jiraya first trained Naruto he said that instead of trying to conserve chakra he should be using it since he has so much instead of trying to conserve it. This alludes to Naruto's chakra interference possibly since trying to control/conserve something that's already broken/leaking in a battle is silly when you can get a use out of the "leaky" chakra by using it when it's going out.

**Vajra** · 2009-08-29 23:24

OMG WALL OF TEXT

So, on Naruto Manga Chapter 460 Page 14, we see a shadowy figure behind Sasuke before he kills a bunch of remaining Samurai. Karin notes that the chakra is "more darker or sinister than the Cursed Seal Lv. 2."

Now we all know that the "Yang" of the Nine-Tailed Fox was sealed into Naruto. While the "Yin" was sealed in the Death God Demon summon that Minato (his dad) summoned to sacrifice his life and save the village from the fox's attack with.

Lets analyze Yin and Yang real quick:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/...ngnormalni.gif

Originally Posted by The meaning of Yin-Yang

This Symbol(Yin-Yang) represents the ancient Chinese understanding of how things work. The outer circle represents "everything", while the black and white shapes within the circle represent the interaction of two energies, called "yin" (black) and "yang" (white), which cause everything to happen. They are not completely black or white, just as things in life are not completely black or white, and they cannot exist without each other.

While "yin" would be dark, passive, downward, cold, contracting, and weak, "yang" would be bright, active, upward, hot, expanding, and strong. The shape of the yin and yang sections of the symbol, actually gives you a sense of the continual movement of these two energies, yin to yang and yang to yin, causing everything to happen: just as things expand and contract, and temperature changes from hot to cold.

So from this excerpt we see that Yin does indeed symbolize:
"black, dark, passive (introvert), downward, cold, contracting, and weak," while Yang symbolizes:
"white, bright, active (extrovert), upward, hot, expanding, and strong."

The Nine Tail Fox already seems to be attributed to the fact that it's a "hot" and bubbly type creature when it's being manifested into a physical appearance (when Naruto is in 1 - 8 tails form), and Naruto can be hot headed at times when he's really gunning to kill someone before analyzing the situation first (I don't need to give examples of this, but he used to do this a lot before he learned Sage Mode, he seems to have changed now that he's become a Sage).

Sasuke can be a cold person, we've seen it so many times in this manga, it's not even funny, he really is cold

(i.e. summoning Manda to save himself from Deidara's C0,

breaking Zaku's arms in Cursed Seal Lv. 1,

killing Orochimaru and then Absorbing him without even acknowledging him as his teacher all those years,

attempting to kill Naruto when they meet for the first time in Part 2,

killing all those Samurai Guards just to find Danzo, and now attempting to kill the Raikage, etc.)

Now Naruto's "Yang" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox is a "bright" orangish-red

Spoiler: show

If we look at Sasuke's "assumed and speculated" "Yin" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox, it is probably a "dark" color that is unknown right now, because we only see a shadowy figure on Manga Chapter 460 Page 14:

Spoiler: show

We can also examine the teeth of the picture above this one, and compare it to Naruto's "Yang" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox below:

Spoiler: show

Naruto (Yang) is definitly an active (extrovert) person, so that attribute from Yang is correct (mischevious, ramen, makes friends with everyone he meets, even his biggest enemies), and Sasuke (Yin) is definitly a passive person (only needs people now, and tells them to fuck off later, only point of existence is to avenge his clan's extermination).

Naruto (Yang) is definitly on an upward spiral into rising up and becoming a big leader some day. While Sasuke (Yin) is on a downward spiral and is just on a path of revenge and vengeance, which only leads to death (eventually).

Naruto's (Yang) heart is definitely pure and white as a dove's feather, while Sasuke's (Yin) heart has blackened into a pool of hatred.

Naruto (Yang) likes to expand his arsenal of companions, while Sasuke (Yin) would rather just contract himself and be alone if he could because he's an emo baby who just uses people to reach his goal.

Now I cant judge their strength just yet, but Kishi recently said that Naruto is now stronger than Sasuke because of his Sage Mode and him being a Sage now means most of Sasuke's abilities should be easy to defend against?

Being a sage means, Sasuke would be easy to knock out Taijutsu wise, plus he has extensions from Frog Katas (nature chakra extending like Gentle Fist), and Frog Katas is invisible by the Rinnengan (remember when Preta Path didn't see it comming) so I'm pretty sure it's also invisible to the Sharingan. I wont analyze the rest of this, we all know they both know alot of Ninjutsu, and that Naruto's Wind Chakra > Sasuke's Lightning Chakra abilities while Sasuke's Fire Chakra > Naruto's Wind Chakra.

Now either Naruto Learns Suiton to stop Sasuke' Katon, or learn how to harness Wind Chakra into more abilities than just Rasenshuriken only (like how Sasuke made Chidori Senbon, Chidori Sword, Chidori Spear, and Chidori Current (his body one). You guys can analyze the rest of their combat capabilities. In my opinion though Sasuke (Yin) is weak while Naruto (Yang) is strong, just going by the definitions of Yin-Yang.

Another piece of evidence that Sasuke has the "Yin" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox, is when he summoned Manda and instantly controlled him with his Sharingan so that he could hide inside him and be guarded from Deidara's C0 Ultimate Art Explosion. He basically had no chakra after using Chidori Current to stop Deidara's second-to-last attack.

Plus he was using Sharingan for the entire fight. How the hell can someone pull Chakra out of their ass to summon a Kage-Level summon like Manda? Sounds like some shit Naruto pulls when he summons Gamabunta when he had 0 Chakra left by using the "Yang" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox's reserves.

Finally, lets go back to when Sasuke confronted the "Yang" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox inside Naruto. On Naruto Manga Chapter 309 Pages 3-6, we see the "Yang" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox telling Sasuke:

"Eyes with such power, and a Chakra more sinister than my own," makes you wonder if the "Yang" Fox knows that Sasuke has the "Yin" Fox inside him. Then after Sasuke dispels the "Yang" Fox's awakening, the "Yang" Fox tells him "Dont...Kill...Naruto...You'll...End...Up...Regret ting..." and he doesn't finish the statement, he just stops his sentence by saying "Regretting...," now we could only wonder what Sasuke would regret by killing Naruto...

Here's a video from the animated version of Sasuke's talk with the "Yang" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (best video I could find on youtube):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sgAIcDRXkQ

These two are either destined to work together and defeat the Final Boss of the Manga, OR they will eventually meet, and become the Final Duel of this Manga, hard to tell right now really...All this time, Sasuke's Fox might of been suppressed because of Orochimaru's Cursed Seal...and now that it's gone...hmmm

**Beckwin** · 2009-08-29 23:27

BRILLIANT theory

**Zilong** · 2009-08-29 23:29

i like you a lot better when you're talking about swine flu

**Vajra** · 2009-08-29 23:35

Ok I was editing it alot, lemme add the video for the animated version of the fox talk too.

Edit: K added the video to post above.

**Maguspk** · 2009-08-30 00:00

I don't think any of your speculation is worth talking about, but looking back at Nine tails saying to Sasuke that he'd regret killing Naruto. That makes little to no sense doesn't it? Why would the Nine tails say that?

To scare Sasuke into not killing Naruto? This would imply there is a symbiotic relationship going on, when all this time we've been led to believe it's simply the host using the jinchurriki who is sealed within them. To suggest that releasing him from Naruto would be a bad idea means there is something the fox gains from being inside Naruto, otherwise he'd welcome someone to release him.

**Vajra** · 2009-08-30 00:10

Originally Posted by Maguspk

I don't think any of your speculation is worth talking about, but looking back at Nine tails saying to Sasuke that he'd regret killing Naruto. That makes little to no sense doesn't it? Why would the Nine tails say that?

To scare Sasuke into not killing Naruto? This would imply there is a symbiotic relationship going on, when all this time we've been led to believe it's simply the host using the jinchurriki who is sealed within them. To suggest that releasing him from Naruto would be a bad idea means there is something the fox gains from being inside Naruto, otherwise he'd welcome someone to release him.

If you read the rest of my post without saying it's not worth it, then maybe you'd see what I'm hinting at. Every Yin needs a Yang, Sasuke and Naruto are linked if my theory above is true. If Sasuke (Yin) kills Naruto (Yang) then something devastating might happen that only the "Yang" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox knows about. Naruto already thinks of Sasuke like a brother, who needs to have the shit beaten out of him to come to his senses and come back to Konoha.

**Maguspk** · 2009-08-30 00:21

Originally Posted by Vajra

If you read the rest of my post without saying it's not worth it, then maybe you'd see what I'm hinting at. Every Yin needs a Yang, Sasuke and Naruto are linked if my theory above is true. If Sasuke (Yin) kills Naruto (Yang) then something devastating might happen that only the "Yang" Nine-Tailed Demon Fox knows about. Naruto already thinks of Sasuke like a brother, who needs to have the shit beaten out of him to come to his senses and come back to Konoha.

Again, the fox wouldn't care. If Naruto dies he is freed, end of story. To suggest killing Naruto is a bad idea means that the fox benefits from being inside Naruto. This has nothing to do with your speculation.

**arus2001** · 2009-08-30 00:28

The 9-tails being freed if Naruto dies is an assumption, I'd say. It's quite possible it could literally die with him or at least lose the sentience it has a chakra being of sorts.

**Maguspk** · 2009-08-30 00:33

Originally Posted by arus2001

The 9-tails being freed if Naruto dies is an assumption, I'd say. It's quite possible it could literally die with him or at least lose the sentience it has a chakra being of sorts.

This would not be anything Sasuke would regret, unless you are suggesting he's bluffing? Also I don't think it's an assumption, it's the only logical conclusion that they are released when the host is killed. If the beasts could be destroyed simply by killing their host I don't think the series would be centered around them, nor would their existence as 'elemental beings' make much sense. They are supposed to be forces of nature or something like that, they presumably don't 'die', they are only 'sealed' or 'contained'.

**TheTaru** · 2009-08-30 00:34

Wasn't it suggested at some point that if a host dies, the tailed beast does too? Hence Akatsuki always leaving hosts barely alive when they capture them.

Edit: I have no idea what this would mean in the conversation between Sasuke and the fox.

**Kiro** · 2009-08-30 00:53

Uh, you guys are silly. If Naruto dies the Kyuubi dies. There is no theory. They said it early on in the manga.

**Tetrarien** · 2009-08-30 00:55

Not to mention that it's already been stated on a couple occasions, once by Minato himself, that 1/2 of the kyuubi's chakra was sealed in Naruto while the other half was sealed away with Minato within the death god. I would think that would kinda make it hard for that other half to be within Sasuke.

**arus2001** · 2009-08-30 01:00

Originally Posted by Maguspk

This would not be anything Sasuke would regret, unless you are suggesting he's bluffing? Also I don't think it's an assumption, it's the only logical conclusion that they are released when the host is killed. If the beasts could be destroyed simply by killing their host I don't think the series would be centered around them, nor would their existence as 'elemental beings' make much sense. They are supposed to be forces of nature or something like that, they presumably don't 'die', they are only 'sealed' or 'contained'.

Why kill something you can control? It was what made Madara such a scary guy back in the day, general Sharingan-ery aside.

**Kiro** · 2009-08-30 02:17

Maybe Madara has something to do with the death god. DUN DUN DUNNN.

**Maguspk** · 2009-08-30 02:35

Originally Posted by Kiro

Uh, you guys are silly. If Naruto dies the Kyuubi dies. There is no theory. They said it early on in the manga.

Link, because that honestly makes no sense because then Sasuke wouldn't regret anything, and it doesn't make sense for the beast to bluff..

**Kiro** · 2009-08-30 02:57

How would it not make sense for it to bluff when if Sasuke kills Naruto it dies? I'd bluff my ass off.

**Zilong** · 2009-08-30 03:00

If naruto dying would cause the ninetails to be freed, he wouldn't have bothered offering naruto his chakra whenever he got himself into some deep shit.

**The_OG_Nelta** · 2009-08-30 03:56

I think the Kyuubi has said it himself as well, its pretty much why when Naruto is about to die, some funky demon energy is leaked out.

**Kiro** · 2009-08-30 04:23

Originally Posted by Zilong

If naruto dying would cause the ninetails to be freed, he wouldn't have bothered offering naruto his chakra whenever he got himself into some deep shit.

Am I being wooshed or something? If Naruto is about to die, why wouldn't the Kyuubi give him more chakra to stay alive and finish the fight? If Naruto dies, the Kyuubi dies.

At first, the Nine-Tails relished the thought of killing Naruto, but it soon realized that it shares the same fate as Naruto as long as it is sealed within him; so it has no choice but to cooperate with Naruto or it will die. It will go to great lengths to preserve its own life, as shown when it forces its chakra into Naruto whenever his life is in danger.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Nine-Tailed_Demon_Fox

Can't believe I had to look that shit up, I don't take this manga that seriously. dkfdjsjfjlfffff

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