Naruto

[Eaglestrike]

Yeah, most of the Konoha 11 don't have a chance at a real fight unless a ninja war happens country vs country. And currently even if Madara claims the "3rd great ninja war" has begun...he doesn't have much of an army as far as we know. And unless they have so many that Naruto + Jounin/Anbu are stuck dealing with people there probably won't be a good fight for the rest of the early cast.

That kinda sucks, however it would be neat for there to be another time skip after Madara is taken care of. But then since the foreshadowed end is supposed to be about Naruto getting rid of war and making everything peaceful...bah, who knows.

[Vajra]

Currently even if Madara claims the "3rd great ninja war" has begun...

I think you meant to say:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/Vajra000/20.jpg

[Eaglestrike]

3rd, 4th, no big deal. It's still not going to be anything like the first 3, which had large scale battles between armies.

[Khajit]

Given the amount of firepower that would be required to fight the tailed beasts it's entirely possible there WILL be entire armies fighting when you consider they already have 7 of them to play with.

[Eaglestrike]

I have no idea where they would come from, though. Pain led a small country and has been defeated. Madara is no longer the 4th Mizukage (or in control of him). The big 5 ninja villages are united together. There's little chance there's enough soldiers to find to even get the 5 villages to be serious when it comes to widespread combat like that.

[Khajit]

You misunderstand. The 9 tails took on the entire city of kohana which was essentially the entire military of the country. Something even half as strong as what was at the time the most powerful military force in the world could takeup more than enough power to warrant a full army engaging one in battle. Basically unless the 1~7 tails are weak as shit there's not many plausible reasons for Madara or the villages to fight one on one. On the other hand the Raikege could be just built from enough raw awesome to take them on himself.

[richardd]

idc about killerbee and mr.jaws. i already have formed my own conclusions on this predictable fight, lol.

BUT is the animated series coming out this week? i need something to watch on my PSP before i gotta go to church tommorow

[Salodin]

Kisame can't die in this fight cause Suigetsu hasn't really fought him yet =(.

Which means Bee dies, or it's a draw.

/sadpanda

[Stilzkin]

You misunderstand. The 9 tails took on the entire city of kohana which was essentially the entire military of the country. Something even half as strong as what was at the time the most powerful military force in the world could takeup more than enough power to warrant a full army engaging one in battle. Basically unless the 1~7 tails are weak as shit there's not many plausible reasons for Madara or the villages to fight one on one. On the other hand the Raikege could be just built from enough raw awesome to take them on himself.

Akatsuki (sp?) took on the tailed beasts in duos and I can't remember exactly but didn't they fight them solo, though they had the other guy to back them up if they screwed up. Even though it shows Kyuubi fighting all of konoha that doesn't mean one guy can't take him. Remember the fight with Pain, he was destroying the city until Naruto came and took him out solo. One strong guy is stronger then an army in these sort of things. You can't ever actually have a war in these type of series with characters ranging so much in power.

[gandorf]

They were fighting the hosts and not the beasts themselves. The power of the tailed beasts is great. When the nine-tails just opens his eyes and gives naruto a little chakra naruto has taken out people sanin level and above. He even withstood pains special attack and the fox wasn't even in full control. That's why he wanted naruto to take off the seal to release him. Fully released kyubi would have destroyed pain and what was left of the town.

Also pain was special he had those crazy eyes. The average ninja in the military is like that guy who bought naruto all that ramen. They pretty much just got basic ninjutsu.

[Stilzkin]

They were fighting the hosts and not the beasts themselves. The power of the tailed beasts is great. When the nine-tails just opens his eyes and gives naruto a little chakra naruto has taken out people sanin level and above. He even withstood pains special attack and the fox wasn't even in full control. That's why he wanted naruto to take off the seal to release him. Fully released kyubi would have destroyed pain and what was left of the town.

Also pain was special he had those crazy eyes. The average ninja in the military is like that guy who bought naruto all that ramen. They pretty much just got basic ninjutsu.

Not true they did fight some of the tailed beasts (there was that turtle thing)
I know the average ninja is fodder thats why I was saying there can't be a real war the top guys can kill hundreds of fodder guys. Its the same with the tailed beasts, really no point in bringing an army to fight them when most will just get completely ripped apart by them. So the few top guys can fight them in small groups. Remember that the first hokage managed to fight kyuubi and Madara together, its not impossible to imagine that the kages could fight the beasts solo as it's been said the increments in power between tails is pretty large.

[Sunrider]

What I'd like to know is if Kisame has had such capacity to drain chakra from even jinchuriki, what was the point of Akatsuki?

Apparently, all that's required is for Kisame to take point and drain the fuck out of every target, with Madara covering him for insurance.

[Eaglestrike]

What I'd like to know is if Kisame has had such capacity to drain chakra from even jinchuriki, what was the point of Akatsuki?

Apparently, all that's required is for Kisame to take point and drain the fuck out of every target, with Madara covering him for insurance.

Because if word got around that a single ninja was going around and destroying all jinchuuriku a lot of people would be heavy on the lookout for that one guy. Whereas if an entire organization is doing it the search is spread out quite a bit and it's a lot harder to pinpoint where they are and what pattern they might take when moving.

[Kurp]

What I'd like to know is if Kisame has had such capacity to drain chakra from even jinchuriki, what was the point of Akatsuki?

Apparently, all that's required is for Kisame to take point and drain the fuck out of every target, with Madara covering him for insurance.

There's always a limit when the 'absorbing power' thing pops up, like in DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho and wherever else. Sometimes they absorb too much that they just blow up and die.

If Kisame pulls that shit... He did allude to not being able to absorb all of Killerbee's transformations chakra in this chapter.

[Cookamungas]

Also remember in the arc earlier on in the shippuden season...where the guy who had remnants of the kyuubi's power (the ninja who were using the ninjutsu of the dead ninja) the shinobi who fought Naruto (with the hair who absorbed different types of chakras) Once she absorbed the tailed beasts' chakra, she couldn't handle it. Now she didn't die (yet) but she definitely could not handle it.

As we've seen in the last chapter, samehada can absorb some of the tailed beasts chakra (although I'm not sure if that was Killerbee's chakra since he asked the beast to lend him power since his was almost gone....could it be that Killerbee has enough chakra to make his own tailed beast cloak without using tailed beasts' chakra until he runs out? its a bit of a stretch I know.)

p.s. I still miss the 3 tails arc, Guren crystal style ftw

[Eaglestrike]

Most likely Bee's seal is somewhat similar to Naruto's and some of it leaks automatically, so Bee has access to the Hachibi cloak for a little. But Hachibi needs to push out more chakra to give Bee more power once that bit runs out.

I wouldn't take anime filler as canon in any way, I haven't heard about Kishimoto sanctioning it or anything, but I've ignored a lot of shipuuden so I guess I'm not certain.

[Rokku]

Not true they did fight some of the tailed beasts (there was that turtle thing)
I know the average ninja is fodder thats why I was saying there can't be a real war the top guys can kill hundreds of fodder guys. Its the same with the tailed beasts, really no point in bringing an army to fight them when most will just get completely ripped apart by them. So the few top guys can fight them in small groups. Remember that the first hokage managed to fight kyuubi and Madara together, its not impossible to imagine that the kages could fight the beasts solo as it's been said the increments in power between tails is pretty large.

You also forget apparently that one of the two fighting the two tails was Madara himself, so it's kind of hard to say if it's something any normal ninja could take on by themselves or in a duo.

Also, the filler arcs aren't canon, so the whole using the ninjutsu of dead ninja and crystal style arcs don't have any place in the story.

[BadKarma]

Minato took out an army by himself, several times, going by whats hinted at in the manga and the anime. Common ninja are basically punching bags.

[Eaglestrike]

Minato took out an army by himself, several times, going by whats hinted at in the manga and the anime. Common ninja are basically punching bags.

Right, but there's not going to be much use for the Konoha 11 unless there's an army big enough to take out the useless punching bags, ANBU and the senior jounin. Other than Neji and anyone else that may have managed jounin by now.

[Vajra]

Also remember in the arc earlier on in the shippuden season...where the guy who had remnants of the kyuubi's power (the ninja who were using the ninjutsu of the dead ninja) the shinobi who fought Naruto (with the hair who absorbed different types of chakras) Once she absorbed the tailed beasts' chakra, she couldn't handle it. Now she didn't die (yet) but she definitely could not handle it.

Her name was Fuka, part of Furido (Kazuma who was Asuma's old friend-turned enemy) 4 Man Team, and she would absorb chakra by kissing people. She was basically immortal til Naruto found out how to kill her (after she couldn't absorb all his chakra cause of 9 tails). Naruto killed her by a Rasengan to her hair (which killed her cause it's her weakness lol).

She would collect different people's ninjutsu elements by sucking the life out of them. She was basically a prelude to Kakuzu since that arc followed, and he was a heart collector who gained all ninjutsu elements too. Her not being able to absorb the 9 Tails was because it was a chakra that was too "sinister and evil" for her to handle.

Samehada would be more compared to Preta Pain, because both supposedly have limits. I'm 99.9% sure Samehada can absorb Natural Energy (and if it cant, then Kisame will just die sooner). Get this, If Naruto some how manages to severly damage Kisame, he would heal himself with Samehada (which just recently would of absorbed his Natural Energy), and then Kisame would be taking in large amounts of Natural Energy.

Since Natural Energy isn't normal Chakra, Kisame wouldn't know how to balance it with his own chakra unless he trained to be a Sage like Naruto/Jiraiya and the Myobokuzanians and rather than healing a severe injury, he'd turn to stone (just like Preta Path).

Kisame combining with his sword to turn into Sharkmayne makes this process even quicker if Naruto were to fight him right now. Since the sword's now inside him, he'll take injuries and absorb Natural Energy immediately and have Natural Energy imbalancing his normal Chakra, and transform into a Stone Frog immediately from any attacks Naruto were to do in Sage Mode.