Naruto

[Thunder]

Danzo isn't a waste of time, but I think the battle was; unless Kishi's planning to do something epic and he needed to show that Sasuke's stronger than.. the best leaf ninja bar Naruto now? I'm pretty sure Danzo was supposed to be on top, somebody can correct me on that, though.

[Serif]

Danzo isn't a waste of time, but I think the battle was; unless Kishi's planning to do something epic and he needed to show that Sasuke's stronger than.. the best leaf ninja bar Naruto now? I'm pretty sure Danzo was supposed to be on top, somebody can correct me on that, though.

There are still the two elders in the Leaf but no one knows how strong they are and if they are even strong.

[Kiro]

I'm sure they're like Sarutobi. Not physically powerful but probably have a massive library of jutsu at their disposal.

[Xno Kappa]

See, that description of Danzo basically reinforces what I was saying. I'm not questioning hating Danzo for what he's done... I'm questioning hating Danzo because he was a "waste of time" or "waste of a character." Hirokei saying that his presence was unnecessary and added nothing is just wrong IMO, since it can be argued that Danzo is the reason why shit's currently hitting the fan.

If not for his early actions (for the good of the village, in his mind), we almost certainly wouldn't have had Nagato go evil. And Sasuke wouldn't be in the position he's in now, since the Uchiha massacre would most likely not have happened. No massacre means Itachi doesn't have to go all double-agent, and Sasuke doesn't become all emo. Ultimately Danzo is the guy that set a lot of things into motion, so I definitely wouldn't call him a waste of time.

- Danzo's plan was exposed before it even started, leading all the other Kage's to disregard him and his title at the summit.
- Nagato would've attacked the Konoha village regardless of Danzo's influence on Hanzo or not, simply for the kyubbi.
- Hanzo clearly had no plans to coexist with Yahiko's gang to begin with.
- Naruto still showed up to the destroyed village despite Danzo delaying his arrival.
- The Uchiha massacre would have still occurred in one form or another considering the clan was truly planning an all out revolt that would have resulted in a civil war. Considering this, it was well established in the manga Itachi was infinitely more loyal to Konoha and his little brother then to the Uchiha clan.

I see nothing that has been set into motion that absolutely needed Danzo there. In the end, all Danzo did was proclaim "I iz Hokage!," go to the Kage summit where all the other Kages proceed to "lolDanzo," then gets chidori shanked by Sasuke. In the process, wasting countless chapter panels as it all goes along.

[Abandon]

- Danzo's plan was exposed before it even started, leading all the other Kage's to disregard him and his title at the summit.
- Nagato would've attacked the Konoha village regardless of Danzo's influence on Hanzo or not, simply for the kyubbi.
- Hanzo clearly had no plans to coexist with Yahiko's gang to begin with.
- Naruto still showed up to the destroyed village despite Danzo delaying his arrival.
- The Uchiha massacre would have still occurred in one form or another considering the clan was truly planning an all out revolt that would have resulted in a civil war. Considering this, it was well established in the manga Itachi was infinitely more loyal to Konoha and his little brother then to the Uchiha clan.

I see nothing that has been set into motion that absolutely needed Danzo there. In the end, all Danzo did was proclaim "I iz Hokage!," go to the Kage summit where all the other Kages proceed to "lolDanzo," then gets chidori shanked by Sasuke. In the process, wasting countless chapter panels as it all goes along.

I believe your information is flawed. Nagato would not have become as fucked as he was had it not been for Danzo aiding Hanzo, as without the aid Hanzo received, the friend of his that died...Yahiko..? Would not have died. Hanzo couldn't take on Nagato's force on his own. Therefore, Nagato wouldn't have attacked Konoha for the Kyuubi, because it was the awakening of his h4x eye via Yahiko's death that led Akatsuki to recruit him.

[Xno Kappa]

I find it hard to believe the Three Legendary Sannin's couldn't finish off Hanzo yet some meddlesome kids posed a threat to him that he couldn't handle on his own.

[Abandon]

Rinnegan, nigga. Trained by pervy sage too, so that counts for something.

[Khajit]

Meddlesome kids always win in manga. Dont you know anything? It's the scooby doo clause/

[Xno Kappa]

Oh come on! This nigga didn't even know how to use that shit until he went all SSJ2 Gohan on them. Even then, Hanzo was all like "I'll get you next time gadget, next tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime!" *poof*

Hardly proof Danzo changed the course of that battle.

[Abandon]

what the fuck do you want, a damned encyclopedia britanica section about the history of that event? Holy fuck dude, take it as we've gotten it.

[ronin sparthos]

Yeah.. I can buy that. The fact that he's able to kill so ruthlessly now was probably aided by Orochimaru's training. If he'd stayed in Konoha this entire time, THEN found it out, he might've had a harder time.

I'm curious to know what's going to happen with Jugo and Suigetsu now, though. I actually liked Sasuke's new group, kinda sucks that he ditched them and is being puppeted by Madara.

Sasukes group was ultimately bound to fail granted that he merely assembled them to take out Itachi and further his agenda anyway. It's not like he gave a shit about any of them though two of them (Karin and Jugo) cared enough about his wellbeing. It was just like team 7 all over again!

Karin ultimately was just a tool to show the reader, Naruto and Sakura that Sasuke's crossed the point of no return. We're heading towards a finale where either Sasuke gets killed by his old team 7 buddies or Madara kills him and becomes the endboss. Either way, there will be no triumphant return to Konoha in any form, much to the dismay of many readers I imagine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Suigetsu bailed (he always seemed the least loyal to Sasuke's merry cause anyway) and Jugo stuck around as the muscle.

I guess on my list of crazy things id like to see happen in this series, Suigetsu jumping sides would be one of them. It'd be just as a 'fuck you Sasuke' move along with adding a more criminal character to the Naruto side but the Naruto side is already overloaded. :/

Well... that and USING FUCKING SHIKAMARU MORE ;; (Yes, I know hes got exposure... but still!)

[Xno Kappa]

I'm taking it exactly as the manga presented it. If Jiraiya/Tsunade/Orochimaru couldn't take on Hanzo, why would he be scared of some half-assed Rinnegan he didn't know about that would lead him to ask Danzo for help. Shit seems silly to me.

[Khajit]

How do we know the meddlesome kids weren't stronger than the Sannin?(collectively. He also cant have fun ruling an entire country of they're all dead from him having to slaughter all the people doing an uprising)
The entire country consists of people that have to deal with fucking ninja attacks all the time.
Jiraya/Tsunade/orochimaru were also younger and weaker than thier prime back then. Sunrider explains the other reasons better.

[Sunrider]

I'm taking it exactly as the manga presented it. If Jiraiya/Tsunade/Orochimaru couldn't take on Hanzo, why would he be scared of some half-assed Rinnegan he didn't know about that would lead him to ask Danzo for help. Shit seems silly to me.

Because Yahiko's group was gaining a huge following. They were chainging attitudes and allegiances all over the country, enough to compromise Hanzo's control.

Hanzo was powerful, but he was still only one man. Think back to his fight against the Sannin--he had those three beat, but recognized that his shinobi were losing the battle.

In a full scale war, he might not have been beaten personally, but he would have lost political control.

Hanzo needed support in re-securing his control of the country, and Danzo wanted support in taking Konoha. They came together to ensure this young, radical, influential group was effectively decapitated.

And consider Hanzo didn't face a personal threat form Nagato that first time--he lost a significant amount of his force, but the danger to himself was minimal. It wasn't until after that time--time for Nagato to amass forces as well as temper his new abilities, that Hanzo was truly in danger from Nagato, by which point Nagato had Hanzo, his friends, and his family killed.



... which might make for watchable filler, so long as Kishimoto pens the script.

[Sho]

I'm taking it exactly as the manga presented it. If Jiraiya/Tsunade/Orochimaru couldn't take on Hanzo, why would he be scared of some half-assed Rinnegan he didn't know about that would lead him to ask Danzo for help. Shit seems silly to me.

Nigga you trippin. Sunrider nailed it, not much else needs to be said.

[Xno Kappa]

Okay, I'll agree, he put shit in a better perspective concerning that specific event. I still say the other bullets I pointed out still apply though.

[Sunrider]

I still say the other bullets I pointed out still apply though.

I disagree about Danzo's meddling in Naruto's return.

I firmly that Tsunade's exchange with Pain provoked his use of Shinra Tensei on the village, in order to prove a point. Had Naruto gotten the alert in time, he'd have shown up in time to draw Pain attention away from the village and onto himself.

[Xno Kappa]

That's speculation at best.

[Nightbreed]

What's the best place to download bulk episodes? I am wanting to start watching again but I probably have 80-90 episodes to watch till I am up to date on episodes.

[arus2001]

If a group does a series from start to finish, they usually seem to do a batch torrent eventually. Just put like "<series> 1-26" or however many episodes into your preferred search site and see what happens. For some of the longer running shows like Naruto, this may be harder, but you may find episodes broken down into seasons.

HorribleSubs or maybe even Taka usually seem to get the quickest subs out consistently. Can throw them in with Naruto on the search and may get lucky.