Naruto

[Lucavi]

If one can control gravity, is it possible to say they can control force; and thus redirect that force elsewhere? Maybe he had it on auto-reflect by default.

This, plus you have "chakra shields". Think Neji using the initial part of Kaiten to deflect an attack, like he did in the Naruto fight.

Pain has a monstrous amount of chakra, plus he can control gravity. Its not unrealistic in the slightest to believe that he can lessen any natural blow by way of chakra/gravity deflection.

On top of that, you've got all those chakra rods feeding Nagato's chakra into that body. No matter what happens to that body, so long as those rods aren't broken, the body isn't going to stop moving. His bones aren't going to be crushed at any part of the story, so stop worrying about it.

[Ayn]

..Heh heh.

Rods and feeding chakra.

[Parshias]

Not sure if that was a shot at me or if you were agreeing, but say I don't see how anyone could say this episode was well-animated. They switched between cartoony and anime-y randomly; it was just really odd and awkward. One or the other is absolutely fine, but going from Looney Tunes to anime and vice-versa every five seconds is just very strange to me.

ITT: People don't know what animation is.

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[TheTaru]

You guys are right. Roadrunner Pain is a work of animation art that I should appreciate deeply. Fucking drop it.

[Xno Kappa]

lolwtf at this argument.

Some of the scenes were retardedly animated, plain and simple. Episode was still bad-ass and if you enjoyed the looney tunes portion, good for you. Didn't make the scenes any less lulz worthy in an otherwise tense situation for the rest of us.

[Parshias]

lolwtf at this argument.

Some of the scenes were retardedly animated, plain and simple. Episode was still bad-ass and if you enjoyed the looney tunes portion, good for you. Didn't make the scenes any less lulz worthy in an otherwise tense situation for the rest of us.

Animation is how something moves, not how it looks.

The art was inconsistent, and pretty bad at times, but the animation was top tier pretty much the whole way through.

[Xno Kappa]

Animation is how something moves, not how it looks.

The art was inconsistent, and pretty bad at times, but the animation was top tier pretty much the whole way through.

Sup BRP.

[Ayn]

I'm not happy with the tension in this thread.

Someone post a Sharingan tank and be done with it. We haven't seen one in awhile.

[Shuvo]

Animation is how something moves, not how it looks.

The art was inconsistent, and pretty bad at times, but the animation was top tier pretty much the whole way through.

This is the correct response.

The framerate on this episode was probably double a normal episode (I would estimate something like 30FPS compared to a normal 15 FPS episode).

The only time the artwork was really bad was when Pain was punching the ground, and that lasted for a couple of seconds. The hammer/nail thing was silly I admit, but that was only for a few seconds as well. And the laugh was totally worth it IMO, but I can see why it would annoy other people.

Rewatch the bit when Pain starts his 'roadrunner' running when the metal music starts. The quality of the animation when he's dodging all those attacks from the 6tails is incredibly well done.

[Furoris]

The biggest issue i had was the non-canon additions that all contradicted what happened in the manga, and what we know about pain's ability, because the entire fight is suppose to be all out, if god path pain could do that bullshit he would have. imo they changed the character of pain by doing this, and made it out to be a even bigger "Naruto only won cause of the kyuubi" because pain had so much more power. The bottom line is they took to much liberty with animating this fight, and made some extremely retarded freeze frame shots that undermine the series in general.

Also keep in mind that they only did this retardation with this fight, the other most recent big fights (sauske vs itachi, jiraiya vs pain, sauske vs bee) were all done faithfully and where awesome. This was stupid, and should be labeled as such.

At any rate it doesn't change what was written in the actual manga did so ultimately it doesn't matter that much to me.

[Shuvo]

The biggest issue i had was the non-canon additions that all contradicted what happened in the manga, and what we know about pain's ability, because the entire fight is suppose to be all out, if god path pain could do that bullshit he would have. imo they changed the character of pain by doing this, and made it out to be a even bigger "Naruto only won cause of the kyuubi" because pain had so much more power. The bottom line is they took to much liberty with animating this fight, and made some extremely retarded freeze frame shots that undermine the series in general.

Also keep in mind that they only did this retardation with this fight, the other most recent big fights (sauske vs itachi, jiraiya vs pain, sauske vs bee) were all done faithfully and where awesome. This was stupid, and should be labeled as such.

At any rate it doesn't change what was written in the actual manga did so ultimately it doesn't matter that much to me.

Specifically what do you think Pain do that was so overpowered, compared to the manga?

From what I could see myself, the main things were -
1) He had that 'force field' which was used to repel the kyuubi's 'chakra machine gun'. Neither of the 2 had either abilities in the manga, so I didn't see it as a big deal.

2) He could punch hard enough to bring up water from the ground. I don't think this shows he is any stronger then already demonstrated in the manga.

3) He used a lot more taijutsu then in the manga. I don't see this as a big deal either. If you have a high framerate fight having taijutsu is a must cause it looks really good.

Pain defeated the 6tails in the exact same way he defeated the 6tails in the manga.

[Furoris]

Specifically what do you think Pain do that was so overpowered, compared to the manga?

From what I could see myself, the main things were -
1) He had that 'force field' which was used to repel the kyuubi's 'chakra machine gun'. Neither of the 2 had either abilities in the manga, so I didn't see it as a big deal.

2) He could punch hard enough to bring up water from the ground. I don't think this shows he is any stronger then already demonstrated in the manga.

3) He used a lot more taijutsu then in the manga. I don't see this as a big deal either. If you have a high framerate fight having taijutsu is a must cause it looks really good.

Pain defeated the 6tails in the exact same way he defeated the 6tails in the manga.

In the manga only two attack happened with the kyuubi before pain ran to get closer to nagato to do chibaku tensai. First was the kyuubi sprinted/dived at him, pain tryied to push back but the kyuubi redireceted the energy back at pain sending him flying. Then the kyuubi started gather bubble chakra for the attack that was also used on ochimaru, and pain dropped a block on him, diverting the attack away. Then pain ran, generally speaking pain was completely overwhelmed and knew it and retreated.

In the anime he had his head being grabbed by the kyuubi directly and created shields and water, just so they could have running on water.... AGAIN, even when it's been done in many many scenes in the show, and didn't need to be added to another scene that it didn't happen in. The episode was lame against all my expectations.

But whatever like I said before I personally put more emphasis on the manga then the anime.

Link to the chapter if you would like to reread.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/01/

edit: I guess my point int he manga he didn't fight the kyuubi just avoided his attacks as best he could before doing Chibaku Tansai, and I think that says something about pain's strategy and how he goes about doing things, thus says something about his character.
In the anime he was just AnimeBadAssBadGuyNumber6 who charges into direct head on combat until beaten into the ground like a nail, instead of a cool a calculating battle pragmatist, who retreats from the get go to set up a trap/attack.

And yes anime pain did retreat, but only after RoadRunner Legs, Rollypolly face, and Nailman, I guess he ran out of loonytunes jokes so had to return to canon.

[Furoris]

I now have the desire to make a gif of Wylie Coyote and Pain both being hammered into the ground in unison.....

[Maguspk]

I now have the desire to make a gif of Wylie Coyote and Pain both being hammered into the ground in unison.....

a gif of pain and looney tunes side by side would be epic win quality.

[Shuvo]

In the manga only two attack happened with the kyuubi before pain ran to get closer to nagato to do chibaku tensai. First was the kyuubi sprinted/dived at him, pain tryied to push back but the kyuubi redireceted the energy back at pain sending him flying. Then the kyuubi started gather bubble chakra for the attack that was also used on ochimaru, and pain dropped a block on him, diverting the attack away. Then pain ran, generally speaking pain was completely overwhelmed and knew it and retreated.

In the anime he had his head being grabbed by the kyuubi directly and created shields and water, just so they could have running on water.... AGAIN, even when it's been done in many many scenes in the show, and didn't need to be added to another scene that it didn't happen in. The episode was lame against all my expectations.

But whatever like I said before I personally put more emphasis on the manga then the anime.
Link to the chapter if you would like to reread.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/01/

edit: I guess my point int he manga he didn't fight the kyuubi just avoided his attacks as best he could before doing Chibaku Tansai, and I think that says something about pain's strategy and how he goes about doing things, thus says something about his character.
In the anime he was just AnimeBadAssBadGuyNumber6 who charges into direct head on combat until beaten into the ground like a nail, instead of a cool a calculating battle pragmatist, who retreats from the get go to set up a trap/attack.

And yes anime pain did retreat, but only after RoadRunner Legs, Rollypolly face, and Nailman, I guess he ran out of loonytunes jokes so had to return to canon.

Ok - so to summarize, you don't seem to like ANY deviation from the manga.

The only realistic alternative is to do what they did with 4tail kyuubi vs orochimaru or sakura vs the puppet dude. "Stay true" to the manga but have lots and lots of dramatic pauses and dialogue explaining each thing over and over again, to keep the fight at an episode length (They're not gonna shorten the number of episodes so their's no point in considering that).

Would you seriously prefer that? Watching those fights actually turned me off so much I became manga only for a whole year (until the kakazu vs naruto fight came up)

And the water fight was really cool... you guys seriously didn't like that? I know it was made trying to copy the naruto vs sasuke fight but... it doesn't make it any less fun to watch. o_O A lot of the fights in Naruto were straight up copied from other shows (e.g. the choreograph of naruto vs neji was an exact duplicate of a cowboy bebop scuffle)

[Daioo]

I enjoyed it. esp the part where pein was getting his Tokyo drift on running from the Kyubi

[Furoris]

Ok - so to summarize, you don't seem to like ANY deviation from the manga.

No, just deviations from the manga on the biggest fight in a 100 chapters before and almost 100 chapters after. I wouldn't be as annoyed if I hadn't been anticipating this fight for so long. Also the other Naruto vs pain eps were mediocre at best. The episodes around the big fights should be worked around better so they don't need filler in the major moments in the series.

As for the water, I don't mind it, just it happens so often in the manga that they don't need to be adding it when it doesn't. Additionally Pain acting like Wylie for half the episode is unavoidable in indicating how much stupidity went into planning out the episode.

[CrimsonAngel]

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[Ayn]

/thumbs up

[Shuvo]

No, just deviations from the manga on the biggest fight in a 100 chapters before and almost 100 chapters after. I wouldn't be as annoyed if I hadn't been anticipating this fight for so long. Also the other Naruto vs pain eps were mediocre at best. The episodes around the big fights should be worked around better so they don't need filler in the major moments in the series.

The choices are either adding in extra stuff in the fight thats not in the manga, or dragging out a fight with lots of dramatic pauses and explanations. Those are the only ways to 'work around' it, lest history repeats itself and you get 2 years of naruto filler nonstop while waiting for the manga to get ahead.

I agree that Naruto vs Pain for the most part was mediocre, only because they kept having too many explanations + dramatic pauses. Hence, it would have been better if they added in some extra stuff into the fight, as they did for Kyuubi vs Pain.