Naruto

[Thunder]

Yeah - it says he's taken a little bit of the 1st, but doesn't what kabuto/madara say, "rinnegan is what you get when you go beyond the sharingan" lead you to believe the rinnegan has nothing to do with the senju clan and all to do with attaining the "final" form of sharingan? It certainly isn't out of the question that the ultimate achievement would be rinnegan and that's only attained by having senju chakra + sharingan, but I see rinnegan being the final sharingan, while something else would be the final "form" of physical prowess in whatever shape or form naruto's going to attain later on in the manga.

Do you mean the other owner of the rinnegan was pain? Hm, I like that idea too. Fake madara would have really "given" him the rinnegan as it was said earlier, then. It'd make the rinnegan a little more awesome if only madara's ever attained them

(maybe wood jutsu! lol) was just a joke btw only people able to control 9tails were madara=eyes, and 1sthokage=wood, and danzo wanted to control it too with eyes/wood. There's the reoccuring theme of body/eyes and if eyes is rinnegan wood is logically body. Long winded jokes aren't so witty though..

[Souj]

I just wonder when Naruto will get his 2nd element. Probably gonna give him some crazy rare bloodline mix.
Would make sense to be water given his lineage, but who knows. Maybe he's only capable of 1 element. I know you are born with whatever element you can use, but are you born with a max number?
I remember it being said all ninja just start with 1, but then most ninja of a certain rank can usually use 2, but 2 was the max and if you had more it was due to some crazy ability or bloodline.

[Deadgye]

Do you mean the other owner of the rinnegan was pain? Hm, I like that idea too. Fake madara would have really "given" him the rinnegan as it was said earlier, then. It'd make the rinnegan a little more awesome if only madara's ever attained them

I meant Madara and Tobi, disregarding Pain as an "owner" since Tobi apparently lent him the eyes. But yeah I like the idea that Madara is the only one to have achieved Rinnegan level.

I remember it being said all ninja just start with 1, but then most ninja of a certain rank can usually use 2, but 2 was the max and if you had more it was due to some crazy ability or bloodline.

All ninjas have access to all the elements. It's just that people have different affinities, they're more attuned to specific elements. Everyone has one glaring obvious affinity and for Naruto that's wind. Jounins and beyond try to bring out and utilize their second, third, etc affinity since better control of more elements is always better. You can use elements that you don't have an affinity with, I believe it's just harder to use the omgwtfhax levels of techniques without the affinity.

Having multiple affinities shouldn't be a bloodline, those are usually reserved for hax shit and stuff like being able to combine elements.

[Xno Kappa]

Yeah, didn't the third use at least three elements against Orochimaru without having a bloodline limit? I can see it working like how deadgye said.

[Uzor]

What Deadgye said. The way I understood it is that Bloodline abilities (such as wood release), can only be used if you have two or more natural dominant affinities - which most people don't. The Tsuchikage, for example, have three dominant natural affinities, which allows him to use Dust release. The lady kage (name escapes me) also have three natural dominant affinities, which allows her to use Magma release and Mist release. She, like the Tsuchikage, could probably attain a level two bloodline; but right now she only use two separate bloodline abilities.

As for Naruto; I'd guess his second element would be lightning, as I assume that's what his father's was.

[Souj]

He's right. From wiki:

Spoiler: show

In general, every person has chakra that has an affinity towards one of these types, a characteristic that seems to be genetic, since whole clans sometimes share the same affinity. Most members of the Uchiha clan, for example, had an affinity towards the Fire nature.[3]

This affinity makes it easier to learn how to create and control the nature in question, although even with an affinity this process will usually take any number of years. Shinobi are not limited to the nature they have an affinity to, though. By the time they reach the rank of jōnin, most shinobi have mastered two natures.

Because of the difficulty of mastering a nature and the time required to learn it, it is almost impossible for any one person to master all five natures through natural methods. However, those who possess the Rinnegan or Bashōsen can use all five elements, while Kakuzu got them by stealing other people's hearts. In the anime, Fūka got them by stealing other's chakra. In Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire, it was stated one who absorbs five kekkei genkai with the Chimera Technique would gain a mastery over all five elements.

Naruto will learn earth so he can combine it with wind because wind/earth techniques have yet to be seen!
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...iagram.svg.png

[Thunder]

It's definitely like deadgye said and I have a feeling naruto's going to get water if anything(he should get something, what does he even use wind for? rasenganshuriken? that's not even ninjutsu ). He already learned how to do wind + water shiz with yamato when he fought that akatski guy with multiple hearts/lives.

The third used like every element but lightning and even combined fire+earth and earth+water when he fought oro; wasn't he touted as the professor of jutsus or something? He's supposed to have known all of the jutsus in the leaf village... if I remember correctly lol. I think it'd be cool if naruto learned a jutsu and not just more rasengan bs or super sayains - the only time he uses hand signs is when he does shadow clones D: I liked those epic fights between people like itachi/kisame/kakashi/the 3rd/etc.

[Abandon]

wut

[Deadgye]

The way I understood it is that Bloodline abilities (such as wood release), can only be used if you have two or more natural dominant affinities - which most people don't. The Tsuchikage, for example, have three dominant natural affinities, which allows him to use Dust release. The lady kage (name escapes me) also have three natural dominant affinities, which allows her to use Magma release and Mist release. She, like the Tsuchikage, could probably attain a level two bloodline; but right now she only use two separate bloodline abilities.

Just having the affinities naturally isn't enough to combine them, you need to have the bloodline limit. Sasuke has fire and lightning affinities, but he can't make his own special hax element for example. An affinity is just a comfortability with a specific element, it's nowhere as special as a bloodline limit. The Tsuchikage vs the Lady Kage Girl Person with tits is a good example for this point. The lady can not combine her water, earth, and fire natures all at the same time. Her bloodlines are specifically only the ability combine water with fire, and fire with earth. Tsuchikage however has the bloodline ability to combine all three at once. Him and his mentor are the only two known to be able to do this so far.

The third used like every element but lightning and even combined fire+earth and earth+water

The third didn't have any bloodline limits either. He was just a badass and was using the elements separately.

[Thunder]

Yeah, no bloodline limits for earth/fire = lava or earth/water = whatever, but he did do the mudslides and earth dragon shooting mud balls of fire or whatever.

[Draggy]

I freaking lol'd hard at this! "Oh shit it's the REAL Madara, here Naruto, do whatever the fuck you want quick!!!!

I don't really have anything worthwhile to add since this pretty much covered it for me xD And again, cannot wait for next week's chapter.

Also I cannot unsee the "Naruto, I choose you!"

[Deadgye]

As for my opinions on the progress of Naruto.. he is not a hand seals person. He will most likely never look into genjutsu and will soon have Kyuubi to just wake him up from everything. I could see him looking into another element.. but I don't think it'll happen. He'll probably just focus more on proper collaboration with the kyuubi. Tailed-Beast-Rasengan is next, and maybe after he'll figure out how to fully transform. (And then he'll do awesome shit like make 8 clones and have them all transform into 1/9 scale foxes with one tail each.) Oh and he'll continue being an awesome Sage. It's awesome when you remember that he can not only just go fox-mode, but can also go frog-mode.

If he ever starts learning techniques that require thinking, they'll probably be sealing techniques and stuff from his mothers clan.

[Akiyama]

If Naruto ever learns techs that require thinking.. he'll be a beast. Or beastier.. yeah. That's a word.

[TheTaru]

Getting the Rinnegan might be as simple as just having both Uchiha and Senju DNA. Something like: the bloodline trait for the Rinnegan was split by the original Sage of Six Paths, and you have to combine DNA from both clans to get it. If someone knew this and Tobi is some sort of failed experiment, it kind of makes sense. Since killing the person closest to you is a prerequisite to get Tsukuyomi, having to get cells from the Senju clan to turn the Sharingan into the Rinnegan doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me. Danzo's arm is an example of some special interaction between Uchiha/Senju DNA.

Tobi saying that Nagato's eyes belonged to him (I think the translation I read was "they were mine to begin with") might mean that he (or someone else) put Uchiha DNA (maybe Madara's) into him in order to create the Rinnegan. The exact process of a Senju awakening the Rinnegan is probably different than an Uchiha's, but both can do it.

That's my best guess. Feel free to point out faults in my magical ninja theory.

[Ayn]

but he can't make his own special hax element for example.

Not saying it's a bloodline ability, but didn't the sauce use blaze (Enton) element when he was fighting C, Darui, and the Brokage?

[Xno Kappa]

Getting the Rinnegan might be as simple as just having both Uchiha and Senju DNA. Something like: the bloodline trait for the Rinnegan was split by the original Sage of Six Paths, and you have to combine DNA from both clans to get it. If someone knew this and Tobi is some sort of failed experiment, it kind of makes sense. Since killing the person closest to you is a prerequisite to get Tsukuyomi, having to get cells from the Senju clan to turn the Sharingan into the Rinnegan doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me. Danzo's arm is an example of some special interaction between Uchiha/Senju DNA.

Tobi saying that Nagato's eyes belonged to him (I think the translation I read was "they were mine to begin with") might mean that he (or someone else) put Uchiha DNA (maybe Madara's) into him in order to create the Rinnegan. The exact process of a Senju awakening the Rinnegan is probably different than an Uchiha's, but both can do it.

That's my best guess. Feel free to point out faults in my magical ninja theory.

The Rinnegan requiring both bloodlines makes a lot of sense and would cover the fact that Nagato, who has an Uzumaki lineage which we know is a distant relative to the Senju, was able to have the Rinnegan and vice versa for Madara. I really hope Kishi goes this route, he made such a big deal about the elder son of the Sage of Six Paths receiving the eyes, Uchiha, while the younger son received the body, Senju, that it seems silly as shit for both lineages to be able to achieve the rinnegan on their own merit.

This magical ninja theory would explain a lot. When Nagato was revealed to be an Uzumaki I always thought that was weird as shit for him to have the rinnegan. It completely contradicts the story of the Rikudo's two sons.

[Uzor]

That's the exact same theory I posted a few pages ago, and is the one IMO that makes the most sense

[Eurell]

The Rinnegan requiring both bloodlines makes a lot of sense and would cover the fact that Nagato, who has an Uzumaki lineage which we know is a distant relative to the Senju, was able to have the Rinnegan and vice versa for Madara. I really hope Kishi goes this route, he made such a big deal about the elder son of the Sage of Six Paths receiving the eyes, Uchiha, while the younger son received the body, Senju, that it seems silly as shit for both lineages to be able to achieve the rinnegan on their own merit.

This magical ninja theory would explain a lot. When Nagato was revealed to be an Uzumaki I always thought that was weird as shit for him to have the rinnegan. It completely contradicts the story of the Rikudo's two sons.

Doesn't the rinnegan allow you to use all 5 elements though? Having chakra that can access almost any ninjitsu would fit really well into having the body/chakra of the sage. It's just weird because it presents itself in the eye, but its not like the rinnegan gives you any cool eye abilities like sharingan or byakugan. Those two allow you to see people's chakra's, see for miles, etc etc, while the rinnegan just looks different, but gives you a whole bunch of other ninjitsu.

[Deadgye]

Those two allow you to see people's chakra's, see for miles, etc etc, while the rinnegan just looks different, but gives you a whole bunch of other ninjitsu.

Don't forget that if splitting up the paths of pain into different dead bodies they all share the same sight, thus giving them true 360 degree vision if used correctly. You don't get to see as far as some byakugan or with the precision of it though.

[Eurell]

Don't forget that if splitting up the paths of pain into different dead bodies they all share the same sight, thus giving them true 360 degree vision if used correctly. You don't get to see as far as some byakugan or with the precision of it though.

Thats true, but thats because you are splitting up into 6 Bodies, not because the eyes themselves allow you to see a special way. Sorta the same, but not exactly, if Im making any sense lol