Naruto

**Salodin** · 2011-10-29 19:15

Originally Posted by Ayn

Yeah.. I think the weird cases here were:

Nagato: Restored, but still gimpy until he used Rinnegan hax.
Kakuzu: Revived with all hearts seemingly intact
Itachi: (I don't think this has been 100% confirmed) but restored without whatever illness he had slowing him down.
Sasori: Revived in a 'real' body (so to say) instead of his puppet body.

The only thing that really comes to mind is something Kabuto mentioned along the lines of Tobirama being the person who created the jutsu, but Orochimaru "perfecting" it in some way (I can't remember if Kabuto noted/implied that he'd refined it even further), so maybe there's some additional magical ninja stuff he's able to tweak?

Which brings up another question: What exactly is he using Anko for?

The perfection they mention is how many people they can revive at once. Kabuto surpassed them all by reviving dozens of people at once.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2011-10-29 19:54

Originally Posted by Ayn

Yeah.. I think the weird cases here were:

Nagato: Restored, but still gimpy until he used Rinnegan hax.
Kakuzu: Revived with all hearts seemingly intact
Itachi: (I don't think this has been 100% confirmed) but restored without whatever illness he had slowing him down.
Sasori: Revived in a 'real' body (so to say) instead of his puppet body.

The only thing that really comes to mind is something Kabuto mentioned along the lines of Tobirama being the person who created the jutsu, but Orochimaru "perfecting" it in some way (I can't remember if Kabuto noted/implied that he'd refined it even further), so maybe there's some additional magical ninja stuff he's able to tweak?

Which brings up another question: What exactly is he using Anko for?

she still has the curse mark which is pure orochimaru juice so I'm suspecting the more juice the easier the Edo summoning is on his own chakra

**TheTaru** · 2011-10-29 20:10

Originally Posted by Ayn

Sorry to add more to this but..

-Tobi said something along the lines of (or at least implied heavily) that the fight with Hashirama left "Madara" pretty messed up.
-Edo Tensei'd Madara has been restored to something 'beyond' his prime. So what we're seeing (conceivably) is a Madara that's 1) Pre Hashirama-fight injuries and 2) Even stronger than he was back then.
-He only noted that he awoke the Rinnegan 'shortly before his death'. We're not exactly sure when Madara died. There's the possibility that he could have awakened the power of the Rinnegan, but his body was pretty fucked up from fighting Hashirama that he wasn't able to fight to the fullest extent of his ability (see: Itachi).

This is also going on a limb, too, but as for why Madara would need the fox even if it was real Madara? He seems like a cocky SOB in some ways, but not a stupid one. I know it's rough to apply this logic (or anything) to Shonen manga, but he'd already been stomped on a 1 v 1 against Hashirama. He'd be going up against the entirety of Konoha -- having the 9 tails would be covering his bases.

Anyway, someone invent time travel and snag us a few chapters from the future kthx.

Re: real Madara needing the fox to destroy Konoha (assuming that was the goal of the ninetails attack because who knows, maybe it wasn't)
I would think a few meteors of the size that edo'd Madara created would easily level the village in seconds. There would be no time for anyone to fight back against something like that; it doesn't matter how strong anyone else is. Pain could have done this, though his meteors looked smaller, but his goal was finding+capturing Naruto alive. He wasn't exactly in the best of health either. What difference would the ninetails really make in a surprise attack that would probably be over in seconds?

Taking the ninetails from Kushina, tossing a few meteors at the village, and walking away like a boss would have made the most sense for someone with real Madara's abilities.

Sure, it might have been a weakened (to the point where he somehow couldn't use the Rinnegan) real Madara but it just takes less "WELL, MAYBE...'s" for it to be Tobi. I haven't finished my Ph.D in magical ninja theory yet though.

**Abandon** · 2011-10-29 21:24

I don't see Madara just strolling away from Minato, especially after attacking his wife and new born son.

**Salodin** · 2011-10-29 21:58

You guys are confusing me, are you questioning why Madara attacked the village in the first place instead of meteoring it and walking away the winrar? Because we already now he attacked the village for Kushina, and if he just went and starting nuking the place, there's a chance he would have killed her and the 9 tails would be dead/reincarnated at a later time with the chance of some one else acquiring it.

**Souj** · 2011-10-29 22:23

Originally Posted by Salodin

You guys are confusing me, are you questioning why Madara attacked the village in the first place instead of meteoring it and walking away the winrar?

No, people are saying that it makes a ton more sense for it to be Tobi to attack Konaha and not Madara.
I personally don't even see why the opposite would even be considered.

**Shuvo** · 2011-10-30 01:25

Ummm madara couldn't use the meteor move when he was alive. That move was used right after kabuto sad he improved madara to allow him to touch some of the sage of the six path's power. That's why he never used it earlier.

**Salodin** · 2011-10-30 02:27

Not to mention it was said plainly that he only used the move because he would be regenerated, since the move is suicidal.

**Deadgye** · 2011-10-30 02:46

Originally Posted by Shuvo

Ummm madara couldn't use the meteor move when he was alive. That move was used right after kabuto sad he improved madara to allow him to touch some of the sage of the six path's power. That's why he never used it earlier.

What manga are you reading? You've got everything flipped turned upside down. Kabuto didn't suddenly "improve him to allow him to touch the rikudo's powers". And didn't use it earlier? What possible situation was there where he would have used it? There was none. And while we're at it, he technically was able to use it while he was still alive.

**Boyiee** · 2011-10-30 12:01

He stated that the zombie-jutsu kabuto is using allows him to use the meteor jutsu because it wipes the battlefield clean, and he just gets reincarnated.

He obviously didn't get to make much use of the rinnengan before dying, if any use at all, since he wanted to "try a new jutsu" being the wood jutsu. The reason he seems to be an "improved" version of madara is probably because he's not in the weakened state from the battle he lost, but still has his rinnengan.

**Maguspk** · 2011-10-30 12:29

This speculation is killing me in inside.

**Souj** · 2011-10-30 12:58

Originally Posted by Boyiee

He obviously didn't get to make much use of the rinnengan before dying, if any use at all, since he wanted to "try a new jutsu" being the wood jutsu. The reason he seems to be an "improved" version of madara is probably because he's not in the weakened state from the battle he lost, but still has his rinnengan.

Wood jutsu are not from Rinnengan nor are they related to it in any way.

**Zilong** · 2011-10-30 14:08

Doesn't Rinnegan allows its user capacity to utilize all the elemental chakra, and that Uchiha Clan specialty is usually Katon? If he can uses the Mokuton which is a combination of Suiton and Doton, then it's probably Rinnegan that allowed him to do so.

**Souj** · 2011-10-30 14:17

Originally Posted by Zilong

Doesn't Rinnegan allows its user capacity to utilize all the elemental chakra, and that Uchiha Clan specialty is usually Katon? If he can uses the Mokuton which is a combination of Suiton and Doton, then it's probably Rinnegan that allowed him to do so.

"according to legend" the rinnengan allows the use of all 6 basic elements. Basic being the key word. Though I don't think that's the case. The Sage was probably already capable of using all 6 elements.
We have no idea what The Sage was capable of with or without his eyes. I don't think Nagato used a single elemental technique, and we haven't seen many elemental techniques from Madara thus far. I think it's safe assume he already had Fire nature.
Either way, it is very heavily hinted at that he got the wood jutsu from the 1st Hokage during their fight somehow.

oh, and more evidence that Tobi was who attacked Konaha and fought the 4th hokage with nine-tails; The 4th Hokage inside Naruto identified Tobi as the one who attacked Konaha.

**Salodin** · 2011-10-30 18:09

Originally Posted by Souj

Wood jutsu are not from Rinnengan nor are they related to it in any way.

Its like everyone just ignores half the manga =(.

its already been stated he took a part of the 1st with him in his battle with him. Him looking down his own shirt during the last chapter leads credence to this, since he probably has some weird looking shit on his body like danzo had.

**Xno Kappa** · 2011-10-30 18:13

Isn't it funny how when Orochimaru Edo'd the first he was just ordinary hokage guy but now he's a huge freaking deal lol.

**Serif** · 2011-10-30 18:19

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/23677185/10

In this panel he is looking at his body. I am just curious if it is to see if the rest of his body is formed or if that is what he gained from Senju possibly?

**Souj** · 2011-10-30 18:24

Originally Posted by Salodin

Its like everyone just ignores half the manga =(.

its already been stated he took a part of the 1st with him in his battle with him. Him looking down his own shirt during the last chapter leads credence to this, since he probably has some weird looking shit on his body like danzo had.

are you trying to say that I'm not reading the manga and am wrong? because what you said was in 100% agreeance with what you quoted.
unless you were talking to the person I was responding to.

and yeah, 3rd hokage was able to hold his own against the 1st and 2nd hokage when the 1st was able to beat madara and 9tails lol

**Xno Kappa** · 2011-10-30 18:33

The God of Shinobi...

**Ayn** · 2011-10-30 18:46

I miss Joe Hokage.

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