Naruto

[Ivaden]

Don't know much about Farscape, care to elaborate?

Even still, Kabuto somehow took Orochimaru and placed him within himself or whatever he said the last we saw him... and Hinata said something like Orochimaru's soul was slowly taking over Kabuto? We probably haven't seen the last of Orochimaru, but who knows if it'll actually be Orochimaru, or just his personality. There's your fusion Boyiee, lol.

[Slapper]

on a different note, i dont think we've seen the last of orochimaru. i think he might pop up in sasuke's head every now and then in a Farscape-esque fashion.

orochimaru embedded himself in that glasses dude

[Turambar]

it makes me wonder how strong naruto really is considering Kakashi says hes stronger than himself

Strong != good. Cell said that Trunks was stronger than he was, but Cell still won the fight because he's smarter and more skilled. Yeah yeah "loldbz" but the comparison is somewhat accurate. Naruto certainly has more chakra and such than most other characters, but he'd still get his ass handed to him in most situations because he's basically a 1 trick pony.

[Ivaden]

Is it bad I still watch DBZ if I catch it on TV? It's like a guilty pleasure. Think it's on the Cell Saga now actually on Cartoon Network.

[aru]

hmm, i must not be remembering something then. i thought sasuke absorbed his soul/whatever and kabuto only spliced in some cells, is that wrong?

in Farscape, for those who dont know, the villian takes the hero captive at one point in the series and interigates him. during the interrogation, the villian plants a copy of his personality into the hero's brain to chip away at the hero until he gave up the piece of information the villian was looking for.

i can see oro resurfacing now and again in a power struggle over sasuke's mind, and by extension, his body.

[Eaglestrike]

it makes me wonder how strong naruto really is considering Kakashi says hes stronger than himself

Strong != good. Cell said that Trunks was stronger than he was, but Cell still won the fight because he's smarter and more skilled. Yeah yeah "loldbz" but the comparison is somewhat accurate. Naruto certainly has more chakra and such than most other characters, but he'd still get his ass handed to him in most situations because he's basically a 1 trick pony.

You seem to have forgotten the Chuunin exam when the main selling point to Naruto doing well was the fact that he's a prankster (i.e. trickster). As well, Hinata's reason for having a crush on Naruto is his confidence and never surrender attitude. Mesh that together with having the Kyuubi in there and he's got a chance against most foes, he only needs extra tools to make things easier/less painful for batshit crazy people like Pain/Tobi. The only time Naruto has truly lost a fight was against Sasuke, and he was worn out as all hell and Sasuke had just gotten a power boost...

[Saga]

it makes me wonder how strong naruto really is considering Kakashi says hes stronger than himself

Strong != good. Cell said that Trunks was stronger than he was, but Cell still won the fight because he's smarter and more skilled. Yeah yeah "loldbz" but the comparison is somewhat accurate. Naruto certainly has more chakra and such than most other characters, but he'd still get his ass handed to him in most situations because he's basically a 1 trick pony.

You seem to have forgotten the Chuunin exam when the main selling point to Naruto doing well was the fact that he's a prankster (i.e. trickster). As well, Hinata's reason for having a crush on Naruto is his confidence and never surrender attitude. Mesh that together with having the Kyuubi in there and he's got a chance against most foes, he only needs extra tools to make things easier/less painful for batshit crazy people like Pain/Tobi. The only time Naruto has truly lost a fight was against Sasuke, and he was worn out as all hell and Sasuke had just gotten a power boost...

but i think everyone's point is that he shouldnt have that exception of "oh well naruto can beat plenty of people except the really talented ninjas." enough with the nine tails, kage bunshin and rasengan already. i think people are more wishing for some strategy instead of naruto screaming "IKEI!!!" and then having his teammates stop him and be like "stop charging in there retard." yeah a perfect example of what we'd like to see is the chuunin exam fights with naruto vs. neji. purposefully holding back the clones was pretty smart, it was neat to see him burrow underground...but take it a step further already, jesus. that's what's holding naruto's character back now - all of his talents are extremely limited. you can't go anywhere else once you reach a certain point - it stops becoming versatile after a while.

[Bartylby]

on a different note, i dont think we've seen the last of orochimaru. i think he might pop up in sasuke's head every now and then in a Farscape-esque fashion.

orochimaru embedded himself in that glasses dude

kabuto fused his body with oro's.

he wanted oro inside him lol

[BRP]

Naruto used stategy before! I think what sold me on the manga was all the way back in the Zubaza(sp?) arc with the whole shuriken throw that freed Kakashi.

[Eaglestrike]

Naruto used stategy before! I think what sold me on the manga was all the way back in the Zubaza(sp?) arc with the whole shuriken throw that freed Kakashi.

Yeah, that throw he used strategy. Against Kiba he turned into a clone of him and confused akamaru/kiba into hurting each other. Against Neji he tunneled through (and of course left a shadow clone behind earlier in the fight) and he technically did defeat Kakashi with strategy early in the time skip

I think it's just a lot more memorable to people when he does something stupid, like jumping into fights like he did with Haku and when he did jump at Neji for hand-to-hand combat without any clones.

[Saga]

I think it's just a lot more memorable to people when he does something stupid, like jumping into fights like he did with Haku and when he did jump at Neji for hand-to-hand combat without any clones.

my problem is that those stupid moments happen a lot more often (or at least seem to) than the "holy hell naruto was thinking ahead" moments.

[Eaglestrike]

I think it's just a lot more memorable to people when he does something stupid, like jumping into fights like he did with Haku and when he did jump at Neji for hand-to-hand combat without any clones.

my problem is that those stupid moments happen a lot more often (or at least seem to) than the "holy hell naruto was thinking ahead" moments.

Yeah, I think the main idea behind the training under Jiraiya was to stop those moments from happening, thus removing Naruto's main weakness. He may still use that mindset as a trick itself, though. I have yet to see him jump into a fight stupidly since the timeskip (honestly going 3 tails instantly on Orochimaru doesn't seem that stupid considering 4 tails fucked up Jiraiya)

[Saga]

I think it's just a lot more memorable to people when he does something stupid, like jumping into fights like he did with Haku and when he did jump at Neji for hand-to-hand combat without any clones.

my problem is that those stupid moments happen a lot more often (or at least seem to) than the "holy hell naruto was thinking ahead" moments.

Yeah, I think the main idea behind the training under Jiraiya was to stop those moments from happening, thus removing Naruto's main weakness. He may still use that mindset as a trick itself, though. I have yet to see him jump into a fight stupidly since the timeskip (honestly going 3 tails instantly on Orochimaru doesn't seem that stupid considering 4 tails fucked up Jiraiya)

yeah that's true...maybe im just making up these moments in my head post time-skip because i want to believe them. >_> but no you're right post time-skip. he didn't rush into fighting deidara, he didnt fuck up the plan at seeing kabuto like i seriously thought he would. though when he made a kage bunshin of sai during training with yamato, then got caught with it, that kind of annoyed me. basically whenever naruto gets outsmarted it annoys me, but i guess the main character has to have those kind of flaws to make it interesting, doesnt he

[Ivaden]

Well I get annoyed like you too but the way I cope with it is reminding myself that... that's Naruto. I mean, that's his character to be stupid. He's been basically the underdog of the entire series even if he does usually win in the end. The stupid moments reminded us pre-time skip that Naruto was immature and probably not going to be very good at fighting/good ninja, so that when post-time skip comes and he's a lot more disciplined and calm about his actions, it's a much much bigger transition of maturity in both personality and physical ability.

[Eaglestrike]

Well I get annoyed like you too but the way I cope with it is reminding myself that... that's Naruto. I mean, that's his character to be stupid. He's been basically the underdog of the entire series even if he does usually win in the end. The stupid moments reminded us pre-time skip that Naruto was immature and probably not going to be very good at fighting/good ninja, so that when post-time skip comes and he's a lot more disciplined and calm about his actions, it's a much much bigger transition of maturity in both personality and physical ability.

Yeah, exactly. Naruto's big weakness pre-timeskip was his inability to concentrate, either because of his personality of because of his lack of chakra (the Kyuubi's) understanding. And I think that was the focus of his training with Jiraiya. Both in getting him to mature as a ninja and getting him to better understand the Kyuubi's chakra, its effects and limits it puts on him. Even when Naruto was a big joker and a failure as a ninja, when he got serious he could still kick some ass (first fight he was in) I think for the most part now he's just not going to get into shitty fights and he'll be serious a lot more often, which is a huge improvement for him.

[Boyiee]

it makes me wonder how strong naruto really is considering Kakashi says hes stronger than himself

Strong != good. Cell said that Trunks was stronger than he was, but Cell still won the fight because he's smarter and more skilled. Yeah yeah "loldbz" but the comparison is somewhat accurate. Naruto certainly has more chakra and such than most other characters, but he'd still get his ass handed to him in most situations because he's basically a 1 trick pony.

You seem to have forgotten the Chuunin exam when the main selling point to Naruto doing well was the fact that he's a prankster (i.e. trickster). As well, Hinata's reason for having a crush on Naruto is his confidence and never surrender attitude. Mesh that together with having the Kyuubi in there and he's got a chance against most foes, he only needs extra tools to make things easier/less painful for batshit crazy people like Pain/Tobi. The only time Naruto has truly lost a fight was against Sasuke, and he was worn out as all hell and Sasuke had just gotten a power boost...

but i think everyone's point is that he shouldnt have that exception of "oh well naruto can beat plenty of people except the really talented ninjas." enough with the nine tails, kage bunshin and rasengan already. i think people are more wishing for some strategy instead of naruto screaming "IKEI!!!" and then having his teammates stop him and be like "stop charging in there retard." yeah a perfect example of what we'd like to see is the chuunin exam fights with naruto vs. neji. purposefully holding back the clones was pretty smart, it was neat to see him burrow underground...but take it a step further already, jesus. that's what's holding naruto's character back now - all of his talents are extremely limited. you can't go anywhere else once you reach a certain point - it stops becoming versatile after a while.

But like I said before, in fact what I was saying was it shows how strong he nowmight be; is that in his last few rushes, he hasnt been questioned. They are letting him do it. They are confident in him. There is more to him than is being written I think just because of that alone. When he jumps at Tobi, doesnt someone say like "don't worry, he's got this" or something? I think he might have new tricks or be able to handle himself.

Also, for Jiraiya to train him for 3 years, and NOT prepare him for a sharingan fight, just seems stupid. He didn't do so great on Itatchi, but I'm pretty sure that he has things he's planning on doing vs sasuke when the time comes. The last couple meets with Sasuke have been kinda unexpected, he was in shock of seeing him. I think with Jiraiya dead, and his mind focused, it could really be interesting.

I really hate the same 3 abilities too, but I'm sure there are more that are designed specifically to be used in certain situations which we just havent seen him encounter yet. Right now the best thing for him to do, and safest, is to go in first with clones and rasengan. Let everyone stand back and observe the opponent, have a clone get knocked out, and if the clones work then a direct hit huge rasengan attack will injure the opponent. It's lame that its all he does but really, it's the smartest thing to do when seeing a new opponent such as Tobi. Especially with kakashi there since hes super smart analyzer man and has a sharingan to maybe copy or uncover something important.

Saskue can do new stuff, hell even Sakura and every other ninja we've seen can. Naruto hasn't done a single new thing since learning Rasengan really... he's only altered it 2 different ways, and added an extra few tails. He's gotta have more.

[Saga]

yeah, bleh good points. alright, ill be patient. :bagel:

[Kiro]

One other thing I really like Naruto for is how much willpower he has. I mean, I don't know if he could bring himself back from the 'dead' like Jiraiya did, but some of the shit he pulls against people he fights is pretty crazy. Add that along with his stamina and the only way to stop him is to kill him or bind him or something, and I doubt binding him would last very long.

Sasuke has better skill as a fighter, no doubt about that, but thinking back on a few fights it's pretty obvious who is the tougher character. A lot of the ninjas have a more tactical approach (Shikamaru & Shino for instance) to fighting, whereas a lot also use brute strength and really high damaging moves (Kiba, Naruto, and Chouji.) against enemies. If they land the attack their opponent is pretty much fucked.

[Bartylby]

if that was all there was to 384 then i'm gonna be pissed.

although it makes sense...

all that training and it's over so fast, maybe sasuke will come to realize how empty his life will be without the goal of killing his brother because of everything he gave up to do it.

[Thoronas]

if that was all there was to 384 then i'm gonna be pissed.

although it makes sense...

all that training and it's over so fast, maybe sasuke will come to realize how empty his life will be without the goal of killing his brother because of everything he gave up to do it.

After just watching jiraiya spend 3 chapters "dying" I'd laugh so hard if Itachi lasts 1 chapter. I'm curious if/what itachi will reveal to sasuke after all this. I'll be pissed if itachi escapes again...