Naruto

**Xno Kappa** · 2012-01-12 17:38

lol

**Ayn** · 2012-01-12 18:16

Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but..

Orochi's goal was to master/know every possible ninjutsu out there. He wanted the Sharingan as a means to more quickly attain that goal. He went after Itachi (this is speculation) because 1) Itachi had a fully mastered Sharingan 2) Itachi had access to the Mangekyo Sharingan and 3) Having Itachi's body, as someone mentioned earlier, would allow him to activate/deactivate the Sharingan at will, rather than suffer the drawbacks like Danzo and Kakashi, as well as some unnamed ninja named Bill who's probably running around with one.

More speculation, since this came via Kabuto in later chapters (so one can't say he had it planned out THIS far in advance), but Orochimaru had hypothesized that the Rinnegan is what lied beyond the Sharingan. So perhaps part of wanting Itachi's body was to perhaps somehow, eventually have access to the Rinnegan / prove his hypothesis (remember: Yamato's evidence he had access to Senju DNA).

The only thing that's unclear to me is Orochimaru running into the same problem he did any other time he did the soul transfer: Wasn't it stated that after 3 years, the body that he takes over begins to reject his soul, so he has to switch? Unless he was planning to Rosetta Stone some Ninjutsu in 3 years, I'm missing something.
Sidenote: I want a manga or a video game where all the greatest fighters of all time who fell prey to Tuberculosis battle it out at a chance for life again. It could be like Eternal Champions.

**kuronosan** · 2012-01-12 18:18

Originally Posted by Ayn

Sidenote: I want a manga or a video game where all the greatest fighters of all time who fell prey to Tuberculosis battle it out at a chance for life again. It could be like Eternal Champions.

It would be boring, because every round would end in a draw.

**Milkster** · 2012-01-12 18:24

Possibly with the Rinnegan, Oro could by-pass the whole soul rejection thing.

**Souj** · 2012-01-12 18:24

I could be wrong as it's been awhile, but I'm pretty sure the 3 year time limit was in regard to how often he could do the transfer jutsu if he wanted. He was in a rush to switch bodies because of the damage that was done to him by the 3rd hokage. His body was failing and he quickly needed a new one or he would die.

**vadre** · 2012-01-12 18:39

I'm pretty sure he had to switch after 3 years, he got pretty sick at the point before sasuke killed him because he was being rejected I think? That was the next body after the one the 3rd hokage messed up.

**kuronosan** · 2012-01-12 18:43

No, what had happened was that the Hokage sealed his arms and he had no choice but to jump to another body temporarily... but since the body he used was not an optimal host it was rejecting him. He had hoped to jump into Sasuke.

**Eurell** · 2012-01-13 07:23

Originally Posted by kuronosan

No, what had happened was that the Hokage sealed his arms and he had no choice but to jump to another body temporarily... but since the body he used was not an optimal host it was rejecting him. He had hoped to jump into Sasuke.

I'm gonna have to go back and check I guess lol, but I thought he wanted to jump into Sasuke at the end of part 1, but Naruto slowed him down to much so he had to jump into another body before he died or something.

**Ratatapa** · 2012-01-13 07:44

He wanted Sasuke but at first he wasn't ready (sas) but since the 3rd sealed his arms, he had no choice to jump fast, but since Naruto slowed Sasuke down with the fight, Oro had no choice to take a temp body. Which gave Sas a 3 year free and then killed Oro when the time was right

**Deadgye** · 2012-01-13 08:44

Aye, the body was failing mainly because of the sealing shit that the third pulled. He wanted to transfer to Sasuke but Naruto slowed them down so he made an emergency transfer. After the three years were up he tried to transfer into Sasuke. You could see that his body was holding up fine and he didn't need to transfer.

**nivlakian** · 2012-01-13 09:46

Originally Posted by Deadgye

After the three years were up he tried to transfer into Sasuke. You could see that his body was holding up fine and he didn't need to transfer.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't fine. He was sick in bed when the time to transfer came and Sasuke took advantage of it and killed him.

**Eurell** · 2012-01-13 10:29

Originally Posted by nivlakian

I'm pretty sure he wasn't fine. He was sick in bed when the time to transfer came and Sasuke took advantage of it and killed him.

This.

I remember him coughing up blood, and sasuke killed him while Kabuto was looking for some medicine.

**Ayn** · 2012-01-13 12:58

Orochimaru: Foiled by HMOs

**Odin'sLaw** · 2012-01-13 13:34

i though orochimaru was actually sick which is why he also needed to jump bodies (in the ninja world its not just in body but in the soul, now that's a disease/virus)

**ronin sparthos** · 2012-01-13 13:38

Was the sickness not caused by rejection from the body he jumped into? I recall Kabuto giving him pills to counter the effect.

If Oro was actually sick, why would he have been so anxious to obtain Sasuke's body? He'd still be dying which is counter-intuitive to mastering all jutsus.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2012-01-13 13:43

Originally Posted by ronin sparthos

Was the sickness not caused by rejection from the body he jumped into? I recall Kabuto giving him pills to counter the effect.

If Oro was actually sick, why would he have been so anxious to obtain Sasuke's body? He'd still be dying which is counter-intuitive to mastering all jutsus.

hax eyes! only reason you'd want the body is to copy ninjutsu at a faster rate, he'd find which ninjutsu's he needed quicker? it was never explained why he needed to jump into a new body anyway (when he was in the kids body before the 3rd sealed his arms) since j man and tsun at the time was still healthy and fighting fit just made me think he was sick and that is why he started doing it at such a "young age"

**ronin sparthos** · 2012-01-13 14:58

Originally Posted by Odin'sLaw

hax eyes! only reason you'd want the body is to copy ninjutsu at a faster rate, he'd find which ninjutsu's he needed quicker? it was never explained why he needed to jump into a new body anyway (when he was in the kids body before the 3rd sealed his arms) since j man and tsun at the time was still healthy and fighting fit just made me think he was sick and that is why he started doing it at such a "young age"

As far back as when he was a kid being trained by Sarutobi Orochimaru was fascinated with the idea of regeneration so it isn't a huge leap to assume his mad scientist personality led him to experiment on himself to extend his human lifespan to complete his goal of mastering all jutsu. The body-swap jutsu mimics a snake molting and his true form is a giant snake monster afterall. Swapping bodies makes sense when you're wanted across the ninja world and from the perspective that he's a snake constantly molting.

If we're to believe Oro was sick, Kishi did his best to give us virtually no hints towards this fact. From Oro we get that the guys a genius, willing to do anything to live forever, had a goal in obtaining an Uchiha body and failed twice. When he was coughing up a storm in that bed he seemed pretty confident that once he jumped bodies that all the pain of losing arms, being trapped in some throwaway body and being rejected by his host body would pay off with an Uchiha body.

If the sickness was unique to his 'soul' then swapping bodies would have meant nothing (guy was practically dying in bed by the time Sauce showed up) and if it was unique to the body then yeah.. rejection is the only reason he was sick to begin with.

**Sunrider** · 2012-01-13 15:05

I don't think Orochimaru first jumped bodies because of any ailment, I think he did so simply because he'd learned how.

In this showdown with Sarutobi, he mocked the man's advanced age and declining skills. Granted, while none of the Sannin where in any way over the hill (it could be argued they were still in their primes), what bothered Ororchimaru knew that it wouldn't be that way forever. So when he finally developed his body transfer, he was perhaps a little too eager to test it, and jumped decades before he really had a need.

I doubt he needed to jump into a new body, he was probably just hasty about it.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2012-01-13 15:08

i suppose he would have to test it to see if it worked and when he did it was just an hour glass sowing the sands of time against him, did he mention how long he was in that body before his arms got sealed?

**vadre** · 2012-01-13 15:25

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Yeah he was pretty screwed, and 'approaching his limit'.

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