Naruto

[Gredival]

If Hashirama is that strong, why was Hiruzen able to hold his own against him and his brother. My memory of that fight isn't that good anymore, but I don't remember Hiruzen getting completely raped.

It was pointed out a bunch of times early in the series that the Third was the most powerful shinobi Konoha has ever produced and he easily held his own against the First and Second at the same time way past his prime. The First, the same guy who supposedly beat Madara, whose now giving not one but five kages such a hard time.

Seriously though, unless I overlooked something, since Madara does have the Rinnegan this time around couldn't that play a factor into why he's giving 5 Kages a harder time than when he fought the 1st?

Sandaime couldn't really do anything against the Shodaime and Nidaime during the fight; he did land two exploding charms on them as a trick, but they weren't really being aggressive about killing Sandaime because Orochimaru was more concerned with mocking him. He won that fight because he realized his limits due to his age and their regeneration, so he decided to do a Kage Bunshin Dead Demon Seal.

If one of the Kages would man up and sacrifice themselves to use the Dead Demon seal on him, and could surprise Madara, the fight could be over relatively fast. It's the ultimate balancer move. The problem is I don't think the technique was passed on.

[Serif]

Hmmmm I wonder if they will go the way of Naruto getting the 9 tails taken away from him at some point and then manifesting the power of the 1st Hokage with the healing etc.,

[arus2001]

I know they've implied he heals faster than usual, but I'd be kinda iffy on him suddenly being Senju and/or getting Mokuton.

[Xno Kappa]

Doesn't Naruto heal faster because of the 9-tails?

[Uzor]

That's my understanding. Then again, I suppose it could just be assumed.

As for Senju; I thought it's already been stated that the Uzumaki are distant relatives of the Senju, so I don't see how it would be illogical for him to suddenly get 1st hokage's powers. I mean; he turns the white clones to giant trees when he attacks them. That, too, is assumed to be the power of the 9-tail, but who says he can't turn a 180?

[Epysian]

That's my understanding. Then again, I suppose it could just be assumed.

As for Senju; I thought it's already been stated that the Uzumaki are distant relatives of the Senju, so I don't see how it would be illogical for him to suddenly get 1st hokage's powers. I mean; he turns the white clones to giant trees when he attacks them. That, too, is assumed to be the power of the 9-tail, but who says he can't turn a 180?

I feel like Mokuton techniques would go well with his Sage mode and the whole natural energy/chakra thing, but I feel like Naruto is powerful enough already. Busting out wood techniques in addition to 9 tails mode and Sage mode would just be ridiculous. But if he lost the 9 tails (which I don't want to happen) and was able to use Senju techniques I guess it wouldn't bother me as much.

[Uzor]

I kind of feel like him losing the 9-tails has been building up for a while. Then again; I also feel like him gaining the Rinnegan has been building up for a while.

[Salodin]

I know he's got the power of friendship and all, but really he should be dead if the 9 tails is pulled out of him. His mom had the same seal and didn't even survive the extraction for long after.

Then again...yeah power of friendship.

[Xno Kappa]

Wasn't it the big ass 9-tail claw through the chest that did her in?

[Salodin]

Wasn't it the big ass 9-tail claw through the chest that did her in?

Oh, was it? I haven't watched it in anime and manga was so long ago. I know she was all ragged looking, and its mentioned she's barely alive after the extraction, her clans sealing techniques are awesome, etc etc.

[Xno Kappa]

Actually, in the anime I think they did say she was going to die anyways because I remember her trying to convince Minato to live on for Naruto.

[Uzor]

The previous host survived the extraction for a long time after having it pulled out of her, didn't she? Naruto's mom only got so weak because it was ripped out of her during labor. I think the reason she told Minato to take Naruto and run is because she believed she would just slow them down, so she'd rather he took Naruto and lived himself. I'm guessing had they survived the attack, she would have lived for a long time.

[Deadgye]

Naruto's mom only got so weak because it was ripped out of her during labor.

I took it that the only reason she didn't die immediately was because it was ripped out during labor.

[Maguspk]

Hmmmm I wonder if they will go the way of Naruto getting the 9 tails taken away from him at some point and then manifesting the power of the 1st Hokage with the healing etc.,

Makes sense, Naruto has been associated with the powers of the 1st and the Sage with his 9-tails cloak (sage necklace and patterns) and the life energy it produces (reacted with Yamato's mokuton jutsu). Whether it's just metaphor for the Will of the Fire and all that shit or actually some Senju genes is up for debate though. It doesn't make sense for Naruto to get mokuton without getting the rinnengan though because his chakra affinity is Wind/Unknown (we don't know the second one, right?). Perhaps it could be retconned by introducing that the Kyuubi has Earth/Water chakra which is why the 9-tails cloak reacted to the mokuton.

[Scythiroth]

I kind of feel like him losing the 9-tails has been building up for a while.

I've pretty much just assumed he is going to lose it since they introduced the 10-tails. Seems odd that they would introduce something like that and never actually unleash it as a potential threat in the future.

[Khajit]

If Garaa is anything to go by it's definitely not survivable under any normal circumstances. There's always a small chance that some ninja learned the same technique used to revive Garaa for use on Naruto but for the most part I dont see any other loopholes existing. If Naruto's mom Kushina had any chance of survival before it would be because of the 9tails still technically being connected to her but being given corporeal form akin to a more malevolent version of what Naruto/Kurama are doing right now.

[arus2001]

Who knows, maybe it's more a matter of the beast killing their host while leaving out of revenge. If it's something voluntary between them, I could maybe see Naruto living without needing any special jutsu. Ultimately, if the 10-tails does appear, I see it coming one of two ways. Like I just mentioned at the end of everything, or Tobi managing to extract it. Honestly, I'm still waiting for Bee to die at this point.

[Sunrider]

I think that too until I remember that sharingan and the other eyes are considered kekkei genkais. Also this guy

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Yes, and those too are fusions of two elements.

Remember, during Kakashi's introduction to element training in which he explained the nature of kekkei genkai, the first question Naruto asked was about genkai such as the Nara clan's, which doesn't seem to follow any element. Yamato interjected with the presence of not just elemental chakra, but yin and yang chakra (something we saw mentioned when Mintao sealed half of Kurama's chakra). Yamato then left the conversation unfinished citing the complexities of getting into yin and yang.

That said, other kekkei genkais are indeed elemental fusions (see the latest Mizukage, who seems to have two seperate genkai), just of a different complexty than mokuton or hyoton.

Makes sense, Naruto has been associated with the powers of the 1st and the Sage with his 9-tails cloak (sage necklace and patterns) and the life energy it produces (reacted with Yamato's mokuton jutsu). Whether it's just metaphor for the Will of the Fire and all that shit or actually some Senju genes is up for debate though. It doesn't make sense for Naruto to get mokuton without getting the rinnengan though because his chakra affinity is Wind/Unknown (we don't know the second one, right?). Perhaps it could be retconned by introducing that the Kyuubi has Earth/Water chakra which is why the 9-tails cloak reacted to the mokuton.

I don't think the answer needs to be so grandiose as the Rinnegan.

The moment we learned genkai were a fusion of elements, I suspected that despite the prevailing rule that genkai are strictly hereditary, that it might be possible for a person to fuse elements of their own will, independent of any genetic predisposition. Until the series ends differently or Kishimoto explicitly explains otherwise, I still think that's possible, and Naruto might be the one to do it. After all, who else has the chakra capacity to quick-train with kage bunshin? He could use this to master elemental fusion.

With regards to Naruto's reaction to the mokuton, I think the answer is as simple as his personality and Senjutsu mastery. Remember that he'd trained in in Senjutsu gathering nature chakra well before he mastered Kurama--he's already familiar with it. Add to that his generally positive attitude to result in the stimulated mokuton.

Is it possible it's his Sage/Senju heritage manifesting? Sure. I just think it's more likely that his previous training and personality are having that effect.

[Salodin]

Theres a shit ton of ninja, but only a handful of elements. Chances are bloodline limits are more then just a combination of any random two elements, and more of a combination of two or more elements along with the genetic disposition to use them in the correct way.

It's a pretty tough pill to swallow that no one else in the ninja world had both wind and water affinity for chakra other then the clan that Haku is from, allowing them to make Ice element. Or Shadow element to use kagemane no jutsu. Or earth and water to make wood. The list goes on...

[Lucavi]

It was pointed out a bunch of times early in the series that the Third was the most powerful shinobi Konoha has ever produced and he easily held his own against the First and Second at the same time way past his prime. The First, the same guy who supposedly beat Madara, whose now giving not one but five kages such a hard time.

The fact the First and Madara are considered so fucktardedly strong now seems like an afterthought.

This. This is exactly how the plot was written while we were still progressing through it. All of a sudden, though, Harishma is a god among men, stronger than even a Rinnegan user, apparently, and all of this without having hax eyes. They talked up Sandaime as being strong enough to run with Shodai, yet we saw nothing from Sandaime that has compared with the ability to destroy, level or alter an entire island or continent, as we've seen Shodai do through Madara.

Obviously some of this comes from Madara having constant access to over 100% of his chakra, but still, if that's the way Kishi is going to write this, he shouldn't have sealed the three Konoha Kages (4 if you count Minato) all that time ago. As it stands now, there's nothing from any other village that even comes close, including Naruto.