Naruto

**Rhyis.** · 2012-08-01 20:33

Originally Posted by Sho

If you read back, this actually makes sense-- when Madara was revived via Impure World Resurrection, he was angry and annoyed at the fact that he was revived in such a poor manner, as if he was already EXPECTING to be revived in a "perfect" state.

Originally Posted by Rhyis.

As to the point of it all, I think Izuna want's to resurrect his dead brother and pwnz the world together once again. Pein and Kabuto have recently fucked up that plan, but there are no doubt more options available... And by resurrect I mean actual resurrection. Not this edo tensai shit.

I'm glad we're on the same page.

**Thunder** · 2012-08-01 20:39

Between izuna, 2nd best uchiha in history, and obito, some kid who sucked and died, the answer should be obvious

I still don't like that 9tails wasn't scared of tobi because the real madara controlled him therefore he can differentiate between the two. Didn't tobi control him during the konaha attack? Is that different than what madara did in people's flashbacks? Shouldn't the 9tails be afraid of tobi because he's capable of controlling him too?
Edit: there was no dialogue from 9tails when they met tobi or ever about him, right? I'd have expected 9tails to have said something about tobi like he did when he freaked out about madara
ah what the fuck do I care, I'll just wait until it's revealed

Originally Posted by Olbohn

What was Kakashi referring to when he said "I've never heard of the Kamu being stopped before" and he has a flashback of the 10 tails? I didnt quite understand that panel

The flashback was that of the statue, not the 10 tails. He simply remembered a few minutes/seconds ago where he tried to kill the statue thing by kamu'ing its throat away but tobi was able to stop it. In other words, tobi reversed the effects of kakashi's thingy. Fuck if I'll ever remember how to spell these things. Kamui?

**Sho** · 2012-08-01 20:47

Originally Posted by Rhyis.

I'm glad we're on the same page.

Oh for sure. I had this idea in mind ever since Madara was revived, and some time before it too. The facts just add up too well for it to be anyone else.

**Rhyis.** · 2012-08-01 21:08

I like it because Izuna would actually know all the details of the entire Uchiha clan history first hand, and Tobi seems to know them all first hand as well.

**Sho** · 2012-08-01 21:13

Originally Posted by Thunder

Between izuna, 2nd best uchiha in history, and obito, some kid who sucked and died, the answer should be obvious

I still don't like that 9tails wasn't scared of tobi because the real madara controlled him therefore he can differentiate between the two. Didn't tobi control him during the konaha attack? Is that different than what madara did in people's flashbacks? Shouldn't the 9tails be afraid of tobi because he's capable of controlling him too?
Edit: there was no dialogue from 9tails when they met tobi or ever about him, right? I'd have expected 9tails to have said something about tobi like he did when he freaked out about madara
ah what the fuck do I care, I'll just wait until it's revealed

The flashback was that of the statue, not the 10 tails. He simply remembered a few minutes/seconds ago where he tried to kill the statue thing by kamu'ing its throat away but tobi was able to stop it. In other words, tobi reversed the effects of kakashi's thingy. Fuck if I'll ever remember how to spell these things. Kamui?

He mentioned that Madara was of a more sinister chakra than his own. In regards to Tobi he just says "You...," leaving Tobi's identity up for uncertainty.

Here's a pic that leads credibility to Rhyis' theory of Izuna and Madara swapping identities, but still both claiming to be Madara:

http://94.23.34.161/manga/mangas/Nar...hnique!/12.png

Keep in mind what Tobi meant by "... who chose to look to the future..." refers to his Moon Eye Plan and obtaining the First's DNA.

**Deadgye** · 2012-08-01 21:28

Originally Posted by Uzor

Another reason it makes no sense he's Obito is this:

Spoiler: show

As you can see, Obito's right side is crushed, but Tobi's right side is completely OK - it seems more like his left side is fucked up. It does, however, match up with this:

Spoiler: show

So, again, it makes sense that he's a clone. We already know that the white part of Zetsu is based on Senju-DNA, so it's obvious that Zetsu is created through experiments. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; it makes sense that Zetsu was an experiment made by Madara to combine Senju and Uchiha DNA, and Tobi was created from similar experiments. You know, Yin & Yan, white and black. Senju & Uchiha.

Guys... I've got it. Tobi is...

Spoiler: show

**Rhyis.** · 2012-08-01 21:34

So Naruto is actually a Uchiha clone? I like it.

**Ayn** · 2012-08-02 00:09

This is what I believe-- I believe that Madara & Izuna Uchiha, created an epically grand master plan to control the world via an Infinite Tsukyomi

Alright, but can someone answer this question?

Which one is a genius, and which one is insane?

It's clear that their genes, to some extent, have been spliced.

**Xno Kappa** · 2012-08-02 00:26

Izuna makes complete sense following Sho's logic with the liberty of a few tidbits here and there. The only reason I can't cosign just yet is the whole Mizukage bit, what the fuck was that added there for? For what purpose or even relevance? Izuna was bored and felt like taking over another village?

Amegakure being an offshoot of Kirigakure would be interesting as hell if true, taking over the country where Nagato lived, but we've been told nothing of the fact to believe as such. The exact opposite, Amegakure was at the center of the five villages and was a constant battlefield.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2012-08-02 12:11

Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza

Izuna makes complete sense following Sho's logic with the liberty of a few tidbits here and there. The only reason I can't cosign just yet is the whole Mizukage bit, what the fuck was that added there for? For what purpose or even relevance? Izuna was bored and felt like taking over another village?

Amegakure being an offshoot of Kirigakure would be interesting as hell if true, taking over the country where Nagato lived, but we've been told nothing of the fact to believe as such. The exact opposite, Amegakure was at the center of the five villages and was a constant battlefield.

wasn't it the village hidden in the mist vs the hidden leaf village during the time frame of Nagato's awakening? wouldn't shock me if the reason the war started was just a hidden reason from tobi at the time

**Souj** · 2012-08-02 12:16

Or Kirigakure was just a beta Akatsuki. Kirigakure had 2 Tailed Beasts and Tobi started the graduation ceremony where all the mist ninja would have to fight to the death to graduate.

**Rhyis.** · 2012-08-02 12:29

You'd imagine, by their names alone, that the mist and rain have a deep history together and are probably connected in many ways.

Originally Posted by Souj

Tobi started the graduation ceremony where all the mist ninja would have to fight to the death to graduate.

I forgot about this. Kinda cool how this kind of stuff all comes full circle. Learned about that graduation stuff in the first 10 episodes.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2012-08-02 12:32

Originally Posted by Rhyis.

You'd imagine, by their names alone, that the mist and rain have a deep history together and are probably connected in many ways.

wasn't the waterfall village and the village of whirlpools (uzumaki's home land) part of the fire nation? also i think that graduation ceremony was done during that miza's rain of "terror" i think tobi just likes to fuck with people

**Eurell** · 2012-08-02 14:37

I'm almost positive that during the 5 kage meeting, they have the mizukage shit because akatsuki started in her town. Which makes perfect sense with Tobi in control for however long.

**Xno Kappa** · 2012-08-02 17:05

Nah. It wasn't specifically her village. It was something about the Raikage should be the general of the army because all the other villages had missing-nin's who ended up being a part of Akatsuki.

**Sho** · 2012-08-03 02:49

Originally Posted by Ayn

Alright, but can someone answer this question?

Which one is a genius, and which one is insane?

It's clear that their genes, to some extent, have been spliced.

I'd say Izuna is the insane one for sure. Seems he was going along with the plan, and went insane over the years to accomplish it.

As for the entire Mizukage and Village of the Bloody Mist deal, it seems Tobi just wanted to stir up the fires of war no matter where he went. Also the fact that he could train killers to run it back to Konoha.

**Rhyis.** · 2012-08-03 03:01

Guaranteed ending:

Spoiler: show

**Sho** · 2012-08-03 03:12

Originally Posted by Rhyis.

Guaranteed ending:

Spoiler: show

Perfect Arc ending.

**Sunrider** · 2012-08-03 06:04

Originally Posted by Rhyis.

Guaranteed ending:

Spoiler: show

**Eurell** · 2012-08-03 06:27

Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza

Nah. It wasn't specifically her village. It was something about the Raikage should be the general of the army because all the other villages had missing-nin's who ended up being a part of Akatsuki.

http://i32.mangapanda.com/naruto/458/naruto-412536.jpg

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