Naruto

[DrClout]

Back in the day, Kakashi used hand signs to start his Thunder ability. LOL

[Tajin]

The whole hand signs shit has been irrelevant for like 400 chapters now.

At this point is mostly done to waste a panel or two in "ohh incoming cool move", this is a kids manga still afterall

[KCem]

Since Tobi's arm "melted" off after his fight with the fourth Hokage, and subsequent new arms appearing, we can kind of infer that he's got some Zetsu/Senju modifications, which would give him plenty to power a sharingan full time, while Kakashi has issues with chakra (well he normally does anyway, Kishi has handwaved chakra limitations for the sake of giving us some good quality manga for now)

[Eurell]

We can also assume that Kakashi had a healer bring him back to full before he headed off to fight Tobi. That would make this battle seem not so ridiculous as far as how much chakra kakashi has.

[Salodin]

Soldier pills my niggas.

Soldier pills.

[Odin'sLaw]

Haku is the one handed sign weaver not zabuza, not sure why some are going on about kakashi not using other elements more often (he trains in lightning elemental ninjutsu because its his own biologically so it would be easier for him to use it) Kakashi has also been known to use earth style moves (well not since the day he started training cell 7)

[Tajin]

Because he's called Copy Ninja Kakashi yet its been shown to use 4 - 5 jutsu tops (that's why he's being "called out"), keep up with the posts or dont reply bullshit son.

[Gredival]

If Tobi just stole Obito's eye, then he may not be an Uchiha at all.

Tobi says he's an Uchiha at one time when he compares himself to Danzo. Don't remember where that was exactly though. Of course it could be a lie...

Tobi having obito eye means uchiha eyes have no limit once removed from the original body? Because at first it was 'only a select few have sharingan'. And now im pretty sure kakashi could fart meteors like madara if he had the chakra.

I'm not sure where that comes from. What I gather from this is actually that eye hax are eye specific.

The reason Kakashi and Tobi's techniques are connected is because they are both Obito's eyes and both have Kamui. Shisui's eyes have the special Code Geass "I command you" control Genjutsu.

We've been led to believe that Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susano are generic amongst eyes that progress to the Mangekyo stage. However we haven't seen Kakashi or Tobi use either Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi. Sasuke specifically mentions that Susano requires both eyes, but theoretically that means Kakashi should have either Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi with Tobi having the opposite.

Also this means that there is room for yet more special techniques Sasuke can get from Itachi's eyes, or Tobi can get from Sasuke's eyes.

The meteor thing is from the Rinnegan. It's the "moon" technique that Pain tried on the Kyuubi. Also the same technique the Sage used to create the real moon that entombs the Juubi.

[Eurell]

We've been led to believe that Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susano are generic amongst eyes that progress to the Mangekyo stage. However we haven't seen Kakashi or Tobi use either Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi. Sasuke specifically mentions that Susano requires both eyes, but theoretically that means Kakashi should have either Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi with Tobi having the opposite..

I've seen it as each eye has one power. Itachi has amaterasu in one, tsukiyomi in the other. Sasuke has Ama in one, the power to put it out with the other. Obito has Kamui with one, and that tobi bs with the other. I've yet to see anyone use a 3rd of these powers.

[DrClout]

I've seen it as each eye has one power. Itachi has amaterasu in one, tsukiyomi in the other. Sasuke has Ama in one, the power to put it out with the other. Obito has Kamui with one, and that tobi bs with the other. I've yet to see anyone use a 3rd of these powers.

Always thought this was the correct way of thinking. For easy reference, go back to Sasuke/Itachi vs Kabuto. Hell, chapter 585 is perfect. Shows them BOTH using 2 different eyes for 2 different techniques.

[Lucavi]

The fact that a powerful ninja like Kakashi who was strong enough to be considered as a Hokage replacement gets a chakra drain from several Kamui's while Madara can spam it nonstop means he has some ridiculous chakra reserves that while not infinite(someone referenced his comment on his chakra when using the 6 paths earlier) is a fucking lot.

This is my entire point. There are differences in people's stamina. Stamina is a stat in the databook. The fact that Madara can use tons of jutsu and can full-time his space-time jutsu, effortlessly transport people and objects there, can summon massive entities and control them afterwards (that big bitch of his has no free will, really), and has freakish strength in hand-to-hand (rewatch his fight with Konan) while Kakshi runs out after a few kamuis (though he -has- improved on his chakra even since the pein fight, considering how he's been fighting for awhile in this war, even though it has occurred over a few days, and is still standing), shows how much stamina Madara has.

Edit: About the soldier pills, why the fuck aren't people popping these things left and right? They give you enough nutrients to last a few days, rejuvenate your chakra and all that, but for some reason, we haven't seen their on-screen use since part 1? I'd be the fucking pill-distributer if I was on the frontlines at this war, tossing those shits like sensu beans to everyone.

"Catch, motherfucker!"

"Its dangerous to go alone. Take this!"

[Damane]

Did Obito have a father that wants revenge? Could explain why kakashis eye and Tobis eye work "the same" (they said in manga that they are from the same distinct or blood). Maybe its just Obitos Father that wants revenge/stopwar/wtf ever because his son died. Could they fucking finalyl clear up who Tobi is in reality!?

[Khajit]

He probably just took the crushed eye obito had and regenerated it. He did specifically steal dna from the senju clan known for regeneration after all.

Kakashi's lack of stamina when sharringan is involved has more to do with the fact that he's not an uuchiha. He cant turn it off or really control it naturally like they can so he's basically stuck with the eye going full blast no matter what. The core reasoning for this is his body just wasnt built to handle/control it so he doesnt have the fine motor control to do what tobi has done. He cant even turn it on/off.

[TheTaru]

The fact that Kakashi seemed to recognize Tobi after their chat pretty much destroys my theory that Tobi is only a lab experiment. Also throws out the theory of it being Izuna, unless there's some retarded way Kakashi knew him.

The ability to regenerate gooey limbs, the determined yet comical at times personality, the desire to collect powerful creatures with multiple appendages, the eyes that don't belong there.. Tobi is obviously

Spoiler: show

SPONGEBOB. MOTHERFUCKING. SQUAREPENTS.

[Ayn]

I've seen it as each eye has one power. Itachi has amaterasu in one, tsukiyomi in the other. Sasuke has Ama in one, the power to put it out with the other. Obito has Kamui with one, and that tobi bs with the other. I've yet to see anyone use a 3rd of these powers.

The Sauce can use Tsukuyomi. He used it on C during the fight with Raikage/him/Darui. He used it again in his fight during Danzo when he summoned the Itachi illusion, as well as tricking Danzo into thinking he had more time to activate Izanagi again. He MIGHT have used it when they were first going after Bee, but that could've just been generic Sharingan genjutsu.

Danzo even derided The Sauce's Tsukuyomi for not being as strong as Itachi's.

[Diomer]

The Sauce can use Tsukuyomi. He used it on C during the fight with Raikage/him/Darui. He used it again in his fight during Danzo when he summoned the Itachi illusion, as well as tricking Danzo into thinking he had more time to activate Izanagi again. He MIGHT have used it when they were first going after Bee, but that could've just been generic Sharingan genjutsu.

Danzo even derided The Sauce's Tsukuyomi for not being as strong as Itachi's.

Pretty sure he wasn't talking about Tsukuyomi; it was just that Sasuke's genjutsu that wasn't as good and still isn't as good as Itachi's. Sasuke has never actually used the technique Tsukuyomi; just some generic genjutsu.

[Eurell]

Pretty sure he wasn't talking about Tsukuyomi; it was just that Sasuke's genjutsu that wasn't as good and still isn't as good as Itachi's. Sasuke has never actually used the technique Tsukuyomi; just some generic genjutsu.

This.

Tsuku stops time and shit and puts people into fantasy worlds and shit. Only times I think we've seen it are against Kakashi when he thought he got stabbed for 3 days, and against sasuke when itachi showed him murdering the entire clan.

[Salodin]

Every sharingan has a unique mangekyo technique, save for susanoo. Sauce also doesn't have tsukiwhatever, his genjutsu is just generic uchiha genjutsu. Just to clear that up.

[Diomer]

This is my entire point. There are differences in people's stamina. Stamina is a stat in the databook. The fact that Madara can use tons of jutsu and can full-time his space-time jutsu, effortlessly transport people and objects there, can summon massive entities and control them afterwards (that big bitch of his has no free will, really), and has freakish strength in hand-to-hand (rewatch his fight with Konan) while Kakshi runs out after a few kamuis (though he -has- improved on his chakra even since the pein fight, considering how he's been fighting for awhile in this war, even though it has occurred over a few days, and is still standing), shows how much stamina Madara has.

Edit: About the soldier pills, why the fuck aren't people popping these things left and right? They give you enough nutrients to last a few days, rejuvenate your chakra and all that, but for some reason, we haven't seen their on-screen use since part 1? I'd be the fucking pill-distributer if I was on the frontlines at this war, tossing those shits like sensu beans to everyone.

"Catch, motherfucker!"

"Its dangerous to go alone. Take this!"

The other thing though is that Tobi doesn't use Mangekyou to do the space-time shit, while Kakashi is using Mangekyou every time he uses Kamui so there's something else going on here that's giving Tobi access to that without using Mangekyou. Perhaps that also has some relation to the lowered chakra strain as a result, but given that we learned Tobi has some Senju and Uchiha in him from the Konan fight, he's going to have some ridiculous stamina anyway. Either way, it seems to me that Tobi has just had a lot of modifications to improve his proficiency in pretty much everything.

[Salodin]

What makes you think he isn't using it? His eye wouldn't stay in mangekyo shape if he isn't actively using the technique, and they never zoom on his eyes mid-phase through.