Naruto

[Abandon]

usually when someone gets ready to use what's usually an advanced sharingan technique, there's at least 1 panel of them activating it, and they've been pretty good with showing said activation. This nigga phases through shit all day, without a single fuck given. not sure what's going on here; i like to call it hax

[Xno Kappa]

I'm pretty sure there's been panels with Tobi warping out with his sharingan staying normal. Mind you I don't give two fucks looking for it.

[Rhyis.]

The Sharingan took control of Tobi and does as he pleases. Tobi is but a prisoner in his own body. Feel sorry for him.

[Abandon]

fuck you then

seriously though (lol@mangaserious), if he's doing this shit with normal sharingan, i hate to see what he's capable of when he decides to actually activate mangyeko.

[Abandon]

The Sharingan took control of Tobi and does as he pleases. Tobi is but a prisoner in his own body. Feel sorry for him.

hush nignog

[Rhyis.]

Can't keep the truth down.

[Tajin]

No need to keep it down, up, left right or inverted just port it to the nether for a while.

[Xno Kappa]

Booooo, you had a brilliant chance to use the Konami code there.

[Boyiee]

Its late, and I'm part drunk, but if shit misses Tobi because he phases that part of himself into another dimension, and shit only hit Tobi because Kakashi phased it into the other dimension Tobi was going into, then how did the rasengan his his shoulder and not his face.

[vadre]

I think it was explained that because he only removes the bit that's crossing over with someone else, his shoulder was the only bit naruto was crossing through at the time so that's the only bit in the other dimension.. or something

To be honest, i dont think the explanation really holds up considering what he's been able to do. If he only sends little bits to other dimensions and the rest of him is solid, why did he keep having to pass through things he was trying to grab when someone attacked him (like trying to grab naruto and then falling through him when kaka attacked from behind?), couldve just carried on grabbing.

Shit's manga, not worth the thought tbh

[Gredival]

Every sharingan has a unique mangekyo technique, save for susanoo. Sauce also doesn't have tsukiwhatever, his genjutsu is just generic uchiha genjutsu. Just to clear that up.

Sasuke and Itachi both had Amaterasu, and the way Amaterasu was first referenced when Itachi used it, it doesn't seem like Itachi was the first person to ever use it. The ability to put out Amaterasu isn't a technique unique to Sasuke, I understood it as an ability of Mangekyo's in general.

Also when Sasuke revealed his Susano he specifically said "This is the third Mangekyo technique, only available to those with both eyes!" which seems to be an overt reference to Amaterasu/Tsukiyomi/Susano being a trinity of techniques.

[Salodin]

Well he kinda has to phase his whole body through, or else he's grabbing onto Naruto, while Kakashi or Guy is right there to kick his ass while his hands are on Naruto. Not that big a deal.

[Salodin]

Sasuke and Itachi both had Amaterasu, and the way Amaterasu was first referenced when Itachi used it, it doesn't seem like Itachi was the first person to ever use it. The ability to put out Amaterasu isn't a technique unique to Sasuke, I understood it as an ability of Mangekyo's in general.

Also when Sasuke revealed his Susano he specifically said "This is the third Mangekyo technique, only available to those with both eyes!" which seems to be an overt reference to Amaterasu/Tsukiyomi/Susano being a trinity of techniques.

I wouldn't take that line for Sasuke to mean Susanoo is part of a trinity of techniques.

[Eurell]

Susanoo is the 3rd technique, yes. But that doesn't mean the first 2 techniques are the same for everyone.

[Ayn]

I found the page that seems to reference the "Left eye/right eye" thing:

http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-464/07/

C talking about Sasuke's left eye controlling the Amaterasu.

Again, I don't think it's ever explicitly showing him using Tsukuyomi. However, it's inferred that Sasuke's better at using the Amaterasu than Itachi is (makes sense, given his more offensive nature) whereas Itachi's just better with Genjutsu than Sasuke.

Another reference:

http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-464/17/

This seems to support the whole 'Amaterasu / Tsukuyomi / Susano'o' not having to be in the same trinity of techniques, as Sasuke only says "Those who have activated the double mangekyo"

There's a few other instances of him 'supposedly using it'

Against Bee (Chapter 413, page 9)
While finding Bee (Chapter 408, page 3)
Fighting C' (Chapter 462, page 6).

I can see where you all are coming from, since Sasuke never explicitly says "Tsukuyomi" when activating it. However, 2 of the 3 cases, you see his eye take the Mangekyo shape (against C, you don't see this). Afterwards, you see him clutching his eye.

I could see it going either way, and while I do like the idea of Tsukuyomi being Itachi's exclusive ability, I can also see evidence of the Sauce having it, but it just being inferior to Itachi's.

[Gredival]

This seems to support the whole 'Amaterasu / Tsukuyomi / Susano'o' not having to be in the same trinity of techniques, as Sasuke only says "Those who have activated the double mangekyo"

There's a few other instances of him 'supposedly using it'

Against Bee (Chapter 413, page 9)
While finding Bee (Chapter 408, page 3)
Fighting C' (Chapter 462, page 6).

I can see where you all are coming from, since Sasuke never explicitly says "Tsukuyomi" when activating it. However, 2 of the 3 cases, you see his eye take the Mangekyo shape (against C, you don't see this). Afterwards, you see him clutching his eye.

I could see it going either way, and while I do like the idea of Tsukuyomi being Itachi's exclusive ability, I can also see evidence of the Sauce having it, but it just being inferior to Itachi's.

I don't get why he would call it the third technique if every Mangekyo gets different initial techniques. Wouldn't Susano then be the first technique because it's shared? And if it's the third because it's only unlocked with two Mangekyo eyes, then what is Sasuke's second technique if it's not Tsukiyomi? What would Shisui's second technique be since both Danzo and Mangecrow's eyes did the same absolute compulsion Genjutsu.

I've always inferred Amaterasu/Tsukiyomi/Susano as being a trinity because it would just make sense.

Amaterasu is the perfect ninjutsu; the flames that never extinguish if they catch their target, and there are maybe six non-Uchiha with reliable counters: Kyuubi Mode Naruto, Minato using Flying Thunder God, Raikage on Thunder Armor, Shodaime (and to a lesser extent, perhaps Yamato) with Mokuton, Gaara's sand, and Pain's absorption.

Tsukiyomi is the perfect genjutsu; it is said to be inescapable except by another Uchiha, and the only people with reliable counters seem to be perfectly attuned Jinchuurukis.

Susano is the perfect defense; users inside are literally impenetrable.

Together, they are supposed to be the perfect hax (unless faced with Rinnegan or someone who can outright exhaust a Sharingan user's chakra)

[Odin'sLaw]

Susano is the perfect defense; users inside are literally impenetrable.

its only weakness is from a flanking attack since there armor is weakest along the spine

[Gredival]

its only weakness is from a flanking attack since there armor is weakest along the spine

I never really understood the logistics about how Garaa could pull Madara out of his. If it repels incoming attacks, shouldn't it block an arm of sand trying to snake inside? But other than that I pretty much assumed that if the user could maintain the ridiculously high chakra drain, it was essentially perfect defense for the duration.

[Salodin]

Spoiler: show

I don't get why he would call it the third technique if every Mangekyo gets different initial techniques. Wouldn't Susano then be the first technique because it's shared? And if it's the third because it's only unlocked with two Mangekyo eyes, then what is Sasuke's second technique if it's not Tsukiyomi? What would Shisui's second technique be since both Danzo and Mangecrow's eyes did the same absolute compulsion Genjutsu.

I've always inferred Amaterasu/Tsukiyomi/Susano as being a trinity because it would just make sense.

Amaterasu is the perfect ninjutsu; the flames that never extinguish if they catch their target, and there are maybe six non-Uchiha with reliable counters: Kyuubi Mode Naruto, Minato using Flying Thunder God, Raikage on Thunder Armor, Shodaime (and to a lesser extent, perhaps Yamato) with Mokuton, Gaara's sand, and Pain's absorption.

Tsukiyomi is the perfect genjutsu; it is said to be inescapable except by another Uchiha, and the only people with reliable counters seem to be perfectly attuned Jinchuurukis.

Susano is the perfect defense; users inside are literally impenetrable.

Together, they are supposed to be the perfect hax (unless faced with Rinnegan or someone who can outright exhaust a Sharingan user's chakra)

You want it to make sense, that's why it makes sense. Every eye has a unique ability (once we confirm that tobi's eye is actually obitos, well this will be confirmed). After awakening the MS in both eyes, you can use susanoo. That is why it is called the third technique. That is why Madara does not have Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi, but can still use Susanoo.

Sasuke's second ability with MS is extinguishing the flames that can never be extinguished. Don't know why people don't like this ability, he used it to save some ones life, something Itachi wouldn't have been able to do if he accidentally hit some one he didn't mean to. If you don't believe that, reread the Danzo v Sasuke fight, when Itachi appears, Danzo criticizes Sasuke's weak genjutsu, since Itachi's Tsukiyomi was stronger and lasted longer. Then, at the end of the fight, I believe it was Tobi that mentioned that Sasuke's genjutsu are weaker, but the trick is knowing how to use them. Sasuke doesn't stop time, nor can he manipulate the illusion however he wants like Itachi could, he just plain doesn't have Tsukiyomi.

Also, just to drive the point home, Kakashi has MS but can't use Susanoo (nor has he ever alluded to the fact that he can before any one cries chakra reserves); he only awakened MS in one eye. Secondly, and I think this might be important depending on where they go with the big reveal, Tobi has never alluded to being able to use Susanoo, presumably because he either doesn't want to (weak reasoning), or because he only had one MS (would explain why his mask only showed the eye that allowed him to phase through dimensions). I like this theory only because when he sacrificed his eye for Izanagi, he used the eye that was always hidden (which was probably just a normal sharingan, a throwaway for emergency situations). If he sacrificed his right eye, he would lose the ability of that MS, which is pretty much the only reason he's still alive at that point.

[Eurell]

I don't get why he would call it the third technique if every Mangekyo gets different initial techniques. Wouldn't Susano then be the first technique because it's shared? And if it's the third because it's only unlocked with two Mangekyo eyes, then what is Sasuke's second technique if it's not Tsukiyomi? What would Shisui's second technique be since both Danzo and Mangecrow's eyes did the same absolute compulsion Genjutsu.

I've always inferred Amaterasu/Tsukiyomi/Susano as being a trinity because it would just make sense.

Amaterasu is the perfect ninjutsu; the flames that never extinguish if they catch their target, and there are maybe six non-Uchiha with reliable counters: Kyuubi Mode Naruto, Minato using Flying Thunder God, Raikage on Thunder Armor, Shodaime (and to a lesser extent, perhaps Yamato) with Mokuton, Gaara's sand, and Pain's absorption.

Tsukiyomi is the perfect genjutsu; it is said to be inescapable except by another Uchiha, and the only people with reliable counters seem to be perfectly attuned Jinchuurukis.

Susano is the perfect defense; users inside are literally impenetrable.

Together, they are supposed to be the perfect hax (unless faced with Rinnegan or someone who can outright exhaust a Sharingan user's chakra)

Theres not enough shown of shisui to know what his last ability would be. Sasukes second eye is to put out the flames of amerterasu. They made a big deal about this during the fight with B, and specifically showed his second eye doing this. He has also never used tsukiyomi, he's just very gifted with genjutsu. If it had to be those 3 abilities, then Kakashi would have tsuki or amerterasu at this point.

your line of thinking made perfect sense back when Mangekyo was first introduced, and Sasuke was first learning his powers. But Kishi has long since changed things up and made them more complicated.