Naruto

[Xno Kappa]

Pulled from the databook;

"He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ

[Odin'sLaw]

Pulled from the databook;

this from the latest one? if so damn you reaper death seal he was our only hope of beating madara!

[Thunder]

it was stated before that the 3rd was the strongest ninja Konoha ever produced (probably not so now, but pre-time skip at least

among meteors, trees, armored demons, etc this faggot threw roof tiles at orochimaru and he's the strongest ninja konoha ever produced? Yeah.. I want to see where it says he's the strongest ever lol. Pretty sure the only special thing said about him was how he knew all of konoha's ninjustu

pretty sure this guy wasn't at 1st level, what are people going off of that the 3rd is > 1st?

Edit^ the fuck@databook - the writer of naruto does those, right? to chronicle people's powers/descriptions/etc that weren't shown in the manga? Story makes no sense at all to me anymore.

[Xno Kappa]

Looking back at the old chapters, Hiruzen gets proclaimed by the first and second in a flashback, "from tomorrow on, you are the hokage." Yet in another flashback, Hiruzen is selected by Tobirama as hokage before sacrificing himself to stall the enemy while in the middle of a battle.

lol

[Xno Kappa]

pretty sure this guy wasn't at 1st level, what are people going off of that the 3rd is > 1st?

Because that's what was stated in the manga and the databooks Kishi wrote himself lol. Nobody is making this shit up out of thin air for shits and giggles.

[ronin sparthos]

I always read the 3rd as being the strongest Hokage that wasn't packed with bullshit cells that make you into a shinobi Superman.

Alternatively you could look at the databook and simply dismiss it as being before Kishi decided to pump the 1st and 2nd full of plot steroids.

[Xno Kappa]

[Thunder]

I always read the 3rd as being the strongest Hokage that wasn't packed with bullshit cells that make you into a shinobi Superman.

Alternatively you could look at the databook and simply dismiss it as being before Kishi decided to pump the 1st and 2nd full of plot steroids.

It's gotta be the plot steriods. I keep thinking back to the only fight we saw the 3rd in.. and then madara.. and then what he says about the 1st.. what the fuck, lol. How does the 3rd even compete with these bloodline/forbidden shit like susanoo with regular stuff because we never hear anything special about him like the "thunder god" technique, tree stuff, or whatever

To me, it's like saying krillin was the strongest in DBZ because he was the strongest human among aliens that are 10000x better

[kuronosan]

They already said that.

[Ayn]

Hm.. you know what, I could see it.

I mean, the Madara we're seeing now is Rinnegan Madara: Not exactly the same Madara who fought Shodaime. Plus, it's Madara with a limitless supply of Chakra. He's got bitchin' techniques, but if he wasn't an Edo Tensei'd zombie, the dude would have run out of Chakra eventually between meteor and sustaining Susano'o.

Sandaime past his prime held up against Orochimaru and Tensei'd Shodaime/Nidaime. 13 years earlier he was leading a defense against the rampaging nine tails.

Pretty sure in his prime / during the great Shinobi war, dude was a fucking badass. Let's not also forget he was (I think?) trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama.

Here's the thing I want to know: HOW the heck did Hashirama die? I know Tobirama died against the Kinkaku force.

[Xno Kappa]

Here's the thing I want to know: HOW the heck did Hashirama die? I know Tobirama died against the Kinkaku force.

It's also heavily insinuated Hashirama died before Tobirama did, so it wasn't because of old age.

[kuronosan]

Whoever said Hashirama died? /Aizen

[Sunrider]

Whoever said Hashirama died? /Aizen

Find out in a big Soylent Green revelation that the tree from which Madara gets his Zetsus is Hashirama.

[Rhyis.]

Didn't they explain bloodline limits as being able to mold 2 different chakra types? I mean, way back at the start of the manga, I thought I remembered them saying not everyone in a bloodline could unlock it (even Uchiha's didnt all get sharingahax, though there's so fucking many that this seems bullshit now)

"Kekkei genkai (血継限界; Literally meaning "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "Bloodline Limit") are abilities passed down genetically within specific clans. It's possible for a ninja to have more than one of these abilities. Kekkei genkai abilities that work via the user's eye are called dōjutsu. Other kekkei genkai include mixing one type of elemental chakra with another, creating a new one unique to the users, which is usually impossible for normal ninja."

But yeah, there's been quite a few of them that have been 1 person only. It's never been stated for what reason though. Logically, if a blood relative has access to the same elements with somewhat equal power they should be able to create the same jutsu.

[Odin'sLaw]

"Kekkei genkai (血継限界; Literally meaning "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "Bloodline Limit") are abilities passed down genetically within specific clans. It's possible for a ninja to have more than one of these abilities. Kekkei genkai abilities that work via the user's eye are called dōjutsu. Other kekkei genkai include mixing one type of elemental chakra with another, creating a new one unique to the users, which is usually impossible for normal ninja."

But yeah, there's been quite a few of them that have been 1 person only. It's never been stated for what reason though. Logically, if a blood relative has access to the same elements with somewhat equal power they should be able to create the same jutsu.

Haku was the first in his family to have the ice style (for x amount of time) and they tried to fuck his shit up....he got the last laugh and killed everyone he loved and knew....wait that sounds like losing

[Rhyis.]

Haku's mother had the ice style actually.

[Odin'sLaw]

Haku's mother had the ice style actually.

yeah pretty much remembered the fight his parents had as i hit enter and didn't want to do a null edit :/

[Rhyis.]

Easy to forget shit from like 10 years ago lol

[Odin'sLaw]

Easy to forget shit from like 10 years ago lol

i'd say it lies dormant til you try to help a conversation then it back fires into your face at burst speed!

[Gredival]

I think I remember someone saying that Kishi said in an interview his perspective changed after becoming a parent and the story sort of changed because of it. When you look at the whole story under that context it's pretty obvious that it played a part in the U-turn that's occured post-time skip (since kakuzu was downed really) in terms of underlying trends.

Part 1 and some of part 2 had a focus on training and personal strength, with hard work being able to rival genius if you have the desire and will. The new generation would surpass the older generation through work and training because kids are great.

Now we've got OMGSUPERPARENTS and ancestors who grant super saiyan powers to their offspring, and heritage completely and absolutely dominating hard work. All of the characters who weren't geniuses or granted hax by bloodlines/bijuu have been totally and utterly forgotten. Kishi's focus has switched from having great friends to having great parents and he kinda shat on the original story in the process.

Let's be real. Naruto himself was always clearly destined for greatness between having Minato as his father and then being given a Nine-Tails power-up. Even when he beat Neji, it wasn't through hard work and training, it was through Nine-Tails chakra. Then remember his true power, the ability to inspire the people around him!