Naruto

**Eurell** · 2012-09-26 15:39

Except if that were true, zetsu wouldnt be going in and out scouting around.

**Insanecyclone** · 2012-09-26 15:45

It's pretty much what I gathered while reading this chapter the first time.

**kuronosan** · 2012-09-26 16:11

Originally Posted by Eurell

Except if that were true, zetsu wouldnt be going in and out scouting around.

Explain how that invalidates what I said.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2012-09-26 16:16

Originally Posted by kuronosan

Explain how that invalidates what I said.

something something can only go into the time camber like 3 times in your lifetime? idk been awhile since dbz

**Eurell** · 2012-09-26 16:21

Originally Posted by kuronosan

Explain how that invalidates what I said.

Because if time doesn't move, then wtf would be going on new out there that requires scouting, and... if he were to leave for a day to go scout, a significantly would have passed inside. I'm going to assume that zetsu had left recently, or Obito wouldn't be wondering where he had gone.

Also, isn't this the same place that Yamato is at now? The akatsuki base? We know for a fact that time doesn't move differently in there since we've seen people move in and out of there without time going slower for them in the present day. They even looked inside there with the Bakugan, and everything was moving at normal speed.

**Uzor** · 2012-09-26 16:24

Originally Posted by Insanecyclone

Or time doesn't move at all inside the place except for the person(s) in there

Don't think that's plausible, how would they have hit him with attacks if that was true?

If, for example, time moves slower in there, then the attacks wouldn't have hit correctly. If it moved faster, it wouldn't have hit correctly. If it stood still, it wouldn't have hit correctly. The only solutions are either:

1) It moves at the same pace as outside.
2) It moves at the same pace at a set time after entering.
3) It moves at the same pace "while open".

Out of the two; 1 and 3 are the most likely. If time only move forward in the other dimension (thus allowing training for, say, 100 years while its only been a day outside), then it seem strange how Sasuke didn't get insta-healed . If it stands still in the other dimension, then he wouldn't have had time to heal up at all.

For the theory to work, 10 days "in there" has to equal a day outside (or more, or less, it's an example), but that also doesn't work since attacks were able to hit. Assuming 3, then it's strange how Sasuke didn't get healed up faster. Otherwise it doesn't give Obito adequate time to train enough to beat Minato after only a year or so of training in the "real world".

**Damane** · 2012-09-26 16:29

my guess is Madara trained Obito via Genjutsu manipulation. Remember that in a sharingan genjutsu years can pass by, while actually only seconds passed? (at least when Itachi used genjutsu on Kakashi etc. way back then). He prolly gave him via that all the knowledge obito needed for genjutsu, taijutsu, ninjutsu sharnigans etc. Forming the body was only a matter of 1 year training maybe? Considering the Zetsu shit has some impact on the body apearantly. At least thats my explanation. Inside Genjutsu training ftw.

**Uzor** · 2012-09-26 16:32

Genjutsu training seems much more likely than Kamui training.

**Salodin** · 2012-09-26 16:34

Or, we can stop making assumptions based on databooks and realize that they've been retconned before. No where in the manga was the time between obito dying and the 9 tails attack quantified. He's more then likely just adding some years to that for the training, and will probably have rins death trigger his mangekyo.

If that does it, then all he needs is to borrow zetsus body since it makes him look older then he really is.

**Eurell** · 2012-09-26 16:38

Originally Posted by Salodin

Or, we can stop making assumptions based on databooks and realize that they've been retconned before. No where in the manga was the time between obito dying and the 9 tails attack quantified. He's more then likely just adding some years to that for the training, and will probably have rins death trigger his mangekyo.

If that does it, then all he needs is to borrow zetsus body since it makes him look older then he really is.

I'm pretty sure they hive a date for Kakashi gaiden, and we know Tobi attacked Konoha 16 years ago (or however old Naruto is).

I agree that it's probably just Obito wrapped up in Zetsu body or something though.

**Uzor** · 2012-09-26 16:40

That's not really likely. The attack takes place 12 years before the main storyline, meaning he was 15-16 during the attack. During Kakashi Gaiden, he was, what? 12-13? Which gives it - at the most - 4 years between Kakashi Gaiden and the attack on Konoha. It can possibly even be as low as 1-2, as Kakashi's age is never stated during Gaiden.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2012-09-26 16:50

Kakashi was teamed with Obito Uchiha and Rin under the leadership of Minato Namikaze. At the age of 13, soon after becoming a jōnin, Kakashi was assigned to lead Obito and Rin on a mission that would benefit Konoha in the ongoing Third Shinobi World War..

so 2-3 years

**KuroTsuki** · 2012-09-26 18:09

Maybe I'm just remembering wrong, but why do people keep saying "How did Obito get strong enough to fight evenly with the 4th"? From what I remember, all he had over the 4th was his Kamui. As soon as the 4th figured that shit out, Obito got fucked up.

**Abandon** · 2012-09-26 18:17

^

**Xno Kappa** · 2012-09-26 18:27

His bitch ass still killed a shit load of ANBU, controlled the nine tails to fuck up Konoha, and can be credited for the death of the 4th and Kushina. Either way you cut it, for such a subpar Uchiha nigga brang da ruckus out of nowhere.

Either way I personally don't care about the battle itself anymore because we got the corny little training montage to explain that. I'd rather question his age during said fight and how Minato wasn't able to recognize his own student yet pulled a historical figure out of his ass for a guess.

**Eurell** · 2012-09-26 18:37

He killed a bunch of the Hokage's private guards outside like it was no big deal, was able to control the fox, and eat a rasengan np. Fucker was like Picolo, oh, lost my arm? I'll just push out another one after this fight.

Edit: Walked away midpost and Hirokei beat me to it.

Seriously though, dude just made Chunin a few days before he lost half his body. Even if he wasn't able to keep up with Minato (which is arguable) killing a group of Anbu is still impressive for someone who is considered a slacker, and not a natural born talent like Naruto or the sauce.

**ronin sparthos** · 2012-09-26 18:39

Kinda lol'd at that genjutsu hyperbolic time chamber idea not because its impossible but because the swiss army sharingan concept is so ridiculous.

We need an Obito training montage already and Eye of the tiger has never been more appropriate.

**Abandon** · 2012-09-26 18:39

He had the mask on, and didn't have Kamui when he was the 4th's student. His fighting style changed a lot after he gained that, as well as training he received from Madara, so I understand how the 4th didn't pick up on his fighting style.

**ronin sparthos** · 2012-09-26 18:43

Obito had a fighting style? From what little we know of his pre-Madara experience the guy was completely fodder tier.

**KuroTsuki** · 2012-09-26 18:45

Kamui(even though he figured it out quickly) still surprised and tricked the 4th. Wouldn't be hard to believe that he killed most of those ANBU using that.

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