Naruto

[Lucavi]

Non-Rinnegan, non-6 monster Nagato still went toe-to-toe with Minato shortly after being smooshed under massive rocks. He has a near-perfect fusion of Hashirama and Uchiha DNA, massive chakra reserves, a massive array of jutsu, a staggering array of knowledge, and still almost died to her, because her preparation was simply that good.

Yes, we can point to the writing that helped her case, but still, she's fucking amazing. Her paper jutsu is amazing, we've barely seen her when she's not holding back and yeah, I'm upset, too, that she's dead so soon. I understand that she probably wanted peace and to be with her two best friends, but still, she's so awesome.

Plus she's fucking smokin.

[Odin'sLaw]

Plus she's fucking smokin.

J man said as much

[Souj]

a massive array of jutsu,

perhaps I'm forgetting something, but isn't his Kamui and Izanagi the only jutsu he has used thus far?

[Gredival]

perhaps I'm forgetting something, but isn't his Kamui and Izanagi the only jutsu he has used thus far?

And Kuchiyose for the Kyuubi attack, but yeah that's about it. He uses Kamui like it's Rasengan basically.

[ronin sparthos]

So considering the numerous revelations as of late I feel I'm forgetting some stuff here.

Madara convinces Obito that the only solution to problematic ninja world is to assist him in becoming the 10 tails jinchuriki in order to create a dreamworld where he and Rin can be reunited. Madara is dying so he entrusts Obito with convincing Nagato to use Rinne Tensei to revive him at a later date, shows Obito how the jinchuriki statue works, puts some chakra into a Hashirama clone creating Zetsu and then dies.

We saw Nagato deploy Rinne Tensei once to revive the people of Konoha and since Jman couldn't be revived because his body was at the bottom of the sea (pretty lame excuse but w/e) what exactly was stopping Obito from having Madara revived all that time between his initial encounter with Nagato up till the attack on Konoha?

-Nagato had Madara's Rinnegan
-His chakra supplies were sufficient once he grew up to use the ability once.
-Rinne Tensei doesn't seem to have any requirements other than pew pewing someone back from the dead and having enough chakra to not kill yourself using it.

Why the delay in reviving Madara? Further, wouldn't Rinne Tensei have simply brought Madara back as he was at death? I feel like I'm missing something here.

[Xno Kappa]

Nah, I've been wondering the same shit ever since Edo Tensei Madara showed up and was clearly annoyed with the way he was revived. He was obviously expecting to be revived through some other means which he heavily implied to be Rinne Tensei.

EDIT: Maybe he gave Obito instructions to only revive him when all the tailed beasts are collected? Don't see why the wait but whatever.

[Salodin]

Maybe a mix of both? Bringing him back as an old man, so don't revive him until the 10 tails is ready to go.

[ronin sparthos]

Back when Nagato used Rinne Tensei I was under the ability that it was a type oneshot deal where you kill yourself to revive some recently deceased people which is why Nagato hadn't used it to revive Yahiko, his parents or anyone who died during the war but rereading it seems the only reason Nagato died is because he exhausted his chakra.

Madara's whole plan being unfolded now makes Rinne Tensei seem like a standard Rinnegan tech with no time limit (since years were going to pass before Nagato could use it) which opens a huge can of worms as to why Nagato hadn't used this technique earlier.

You'd think Obito would want Madara back on the field to help wrap up the moons eye so he could get inception'd faster but... w/e. lol

[Null]

In all fairness, if Madera had been revived that way he would've been an old man dependent on a tree to survive anyway. So he probably would've rised and keeled over dead a few minutes later. He most likely needed Obito to be ready with the 10 tails.

Either way, this way makes Madera an even bigger bad ass then he imagined.

[Salodin]

Well I remember nagato saying he could only revive those who recently died, and by his hands.

I don't know how madara intended him to revive himself, but w/e. Plotkai no jutsu.

[Khajit]

Back when Nagato used Rinne Tensei I was under the ability that it was a type oneshot deal where you kill yourself to revive some recently deceased people which is why Nagato hadn't used it to revive Yahiko, his parents or anyone who died during the war but rereading it seems the only reason Nagato died is because he exhausted his chakra.

Madara's whole plan being unfolded now makes Rinne Tensei seem like a standard Rinnegan tech with no time limit (since years were going to pass before Nagato could use it) which opens a huge can of worms as to why Nagato hadn't used this technique earlier.

You'd think Obito would want Madara back on the field to help wrap up the moons eye so he could get inception'd faster but... w/e. lol

It's not a oneshot deal where the user dies. You're thinking of the one the old lady used on Gaara. Pain died because he was already weak(as far as chakra goes) after destroying everything and then used the technique in aoe form to raise an entire city at once. It is a problem somewhat but it's entirely possible that the longer the target is dead the more chakra it consumes and so if Madara was expecting for this to be used on him then it was probably going to involve using the massive chakra from all the tailed beasts at once.

[Salodin]

Well there ya go, that makes sense.

[Souj]

it does?

not much of this obito business makes sense to me still.

[Eurell]

Whats amazing is Obito got demasked before Kakashi.

Sonofabitch

[Ayn]

Clearly, what's under Kakashi's mask is a trollface.

[Kobb]

Clearly, what's under Kakashi's mask is a trollface.

Spoiler: show

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[Uzor]

It's not a oneshot deal where the user dies. You're thinking of the one the old lady used on Gaara. Pain died because he was already weak(as far as chakra goes) after destroying everything and then used the technique in aoe form to raise an entire city at once. It is a problem somewhat but it's entirely possible that the longer the target is dead the more chakra it consumes and so if Madara was expecting for this to be used on him then it was probably going to involve using the massive chakra from all the tailed beasts at once.

If you can use it at any time without dieing, then why didn't he just raise Yahiko after Salamander had killed him?

Plotkai I suppose, he wouldn't have had his resolve had he just been able to raise anyone who died...

[Souj]

Get it right, Uzor!
It's not Plotkai, it's Plot no Jutsu!

[Ratatapa]

If you can use it at any time without dieing, then why didn't he just raise Yahiko after Salamander had killed him?

Plotkai I suppose, he wouldn't have had his resolve had he just been able to raise anyone who died...

Didnt Nagato said he would only raise people he killed himself?

[Uzor]

That just sounds like a stupid excuse. If you had the power to resurrect anyone and your best-friend/gay-lover died, would you go "I didn't kill him, so I refuse to resurrect him out of principle. Instead, I'm going to kill the rest of the world out of hatred for killing my friend"? If he'd have chosen to kill the rest of the world AFTER he resurrected his friend, that's fine, but it just seem extremely lame to refuse to resurrect him and then blame the rest of the world for his failure to protect his friends.

Now, if it was "I can only resurrect people I killed" that would be an entirely different matter, but then he wouldn't be able to resurrect Madara.