Naruto

[Salodin]

That just sounds like a stupid excuse. If you had the power to resurrect anyone and your best-friend/gay-lover died, would you go "I didn't kill him, so I refuse to resurrect him out of principle. Instead, I'm going to kill the rest of the world out of hatred for killing my friend"? If he'd have chosen to kill the rest of the world AFTER he resurrected his friend, that's fine, but it just seem extremely lame to refuse to resurrect him and then blame the rest of the world for his failure to protect his friends.

Now, if it was "I can only resurrect people I killed" that would be an entirely different matter, but then he wouldn't be able to resurrect Madara.

Dude, I said this earlier. He can only resurrect people recently killed by himself only. This is why the only plotkai no jutsu is pain resurrecting madara.

[Ratatapa]

Dude, I said this earlier. He can only resurrect people recently killed by himself only. This is why the only plotkai no jutsu is pain resurrecting madara.

Possible that Madara asked obito that after befriending Nagato to come make nagato kill madara ( without telling who it is) so that the resurection would work

[RedRed]

Possible that Madara asked obito that after befriending Nagato to come make nagato kill madara ( without telling who it is) so that the resurection would work

He was already dead by that point.

[Ratatapa]

yeah i guess just reread chapter 606

[Uzor]

Dude, I said this earlier. He can only resurrect people recently killed by himself only. This is why the only plotkai no jutsu is pain resurrecting madara.

Which makes no sense. If that is true, how would he resurrect Madara after all these years, unless 10-something years is "recently", and old age is "himself"?

[Salodin]

Which makes no sense. If that is true, how would he resurrect Madara after all these years, unless 10-something years is "recently", and old age is "himself"?

...that's why I said that's the only part that's plotkai no jutsu......

[Souj]

And if Nagato or Obito did kill Madara?

also, where are you people getting these stipulations on that revival technique? I don't remember seeing any sort of limitations stated on it.

[Xno Kappa]

It's all speculation in trying to make sense out of this plot no jutsu.

[Souj]

Perhaps Nagato and Obito were waiting until all the tailed beasts were gathered before reviving Madara and all their loved ones. If the world was as fucked as they believed it, why would they revive their loved ones to suffer through it more when they could do it when they believed the world would be peaceful?

Nagato's plan; Gather all tailed beasts > bring peace to the world by force using the tailed beast powers> revive loved ones
Obito's plan; Gather tailed beasts > revive loved ones > Moons Eye Jutsu
Madara's plan; Have emo kids gather tailed beasts > get revived > kill emo kids and take Rinnegan back > rule world as 10tails host

[Abandon]

Perhaps Nagato and Obito were waiting until all the tailed beasts were gathered before reviving Madara and all their loved ones. If the world was as fucked as they believed it, why would they revive their loved ones to suffer through it more when they could do it when they believed the world would be peaceful?

Nagato's plan; Gather all tailed beasts > bring peace to the world by force using the tailed beast powers> revive loved ones
Obito's plan; Gather tailed beasts > revive loved ones > Moons Eye Jutsu
Madara's plan; Have emo kids gather tailed beasts > get revived > kill emo kids and take Rinnegan back > rule world as 10tails host

Obito's plan wasn't to use the rinnegan himself, which is why Nagato had it. Everything fucked up when Naruto friendzoned Nagato and he died bringing everyone back. His plan was to help Madara with the superduper Tsukiyomi so he could live in a world with Rin alive.

[Souj]

Never said Obito would use it, but he was going to use Nagato to use it.

[ronin sparthos]

Also Obito didnt need Rin alive since the Moonception would solve the issue of her being dead. Madara needing that raise does make me wonder what exactly his plan was without Naruto or Kabuto interfering.

Nagato gets conned into gathering the 9 beasts, revives an old Madara, Obito kills Nagato, Madara takes back his Rinnegan and becomes the 10 tails host gaining his youth back, Moonception -> checkmate?

[Xno Kappa]

That's a damn good question, what was Madara's plan if Obito never showed up? Zetsu to do everything?

[Ratatapa]

Sharingan told him that obito would come

[Salodin]

What the flying fuck. Ok, check it, in order of when we knew what:

Nagato is gathering the tailed beasts to give them to akatsuki, so they can become ultimate mercenaries, ???, world peace. He doesn't mention moon eyes, probably never knew about it.

Tobi and Zetsu are manipulating him to do all this, when the real plan is to gather the beasts and resurect the 10 tails, using madara as the host. Plotkai no jutsu happens in between, when naruto fiend zones pain, and pain reveals that he can revive people he's recently killed (his gf says something along the lines of "if you use that now" which insinuates that he can use the technique w/o dying, but in his current state it'd kill him).

If you're wondering about yahiko, since he did technically kill him, I would label that as ignorance not plotkai, since he had no idea he could do that at the time (at the time form flashbacks, were lead to believe he wasn't anything special except for eyes that see shit like a sharingan, and being able to use all chakra elements).

Fast forward to recent chapters, tobi is obito, and flashbacks show how he doesn't care bout anything anymore, yada yada emo shit. Madara explains his plan and how he can see rin again in the dream world, w/e its all weak story telling.

There.

[Ayn]

and being able to use all chakra elements

CATCH-RA!

[Khajit]

If you can use it at any time without dieing, then why didn't he just raise Yahiko after Salamander had killed him?

Plotkai I suppose, he wouldn't have had his resolve had he just been able to raise anyone who died...

Because he hadn't invented it yet like he clearly stated when he used it on the entire village? He probably invented it fairly recently too. I also recall Konan even saying it was supposed to be used on Yahiko first when Nagato sacrificed himself.

[Souj]

Tobi and Zetsu are manipulating him to do all this, when the real plan is to gather the beasts and resurrect the 10 tails, using madara as the host. Plotkai no jutsu happens in between, when naruto fiend zones pain, and pain reveals that he can revive people he's recently killed

I don't believe it was said Madara was going to be the host. When Tobi talked about the plan, he said he'd be the host. Of course, Madara's secret plan was probably going to involve taking the tailed beast for himself.
And as I said before, there was no limits placed on Pain's revival tech. There was no "only those killed by user" restrictions as well as no time limit restriction mentioned. I think you guys just assume there is because he didn't revive people killed from his past.

Perhaps I'm wrong and someone will link a page that says that, but until then...

[Xno Kappa]

Because he hadn't invented it yet like he clearly stated when he used it on the entire village? He probably invented it fairly recently too. I also recall Konan even saying it was supposed to be used on Yahiko first when Nagato sacrificed himself.

Whoa wait wut? Can you link that please? I don't remember any of that being said at all.

[Ratatapa]

I don't believe it was said Madara was going to be the host. When Tobi talked about the plan, he said he'd be the host. Of course, Madara's secret plan was probably going to involve taking the tailed beast for himself.
And as I said before, there was no limits placed on Pain's revival tech. There was no "only those killed by user" restrictions as well as no time limit restriction mentioned. I think you guys just assume there is because he didn't revive people killed from his past.

Perhaps I'm wrong and someone will link a page that says that, but until then...

But when Tobi said that, he was stll impersonating Madara