Naruto

[Epysian]

Uh, didn't they need a sharingan to get into the area where they are now? Orochi didn't have a sharingan to do so. When he was training sasuke he MIGHT have had an opportunity to, but this chapter revealed that sasuke is all talk now that he has a chance to crush the leaf but hesitates cause he needs "answers". Orochi knew this and never attempted to force sasuke to do this for that very reason, especially since he couldn't change bodies until the day he and sasuke fought.

It all makes sense, its just lame to undo literally years of plot development because of this same fucking technique.

I'm not sure what was undone, exactly. Yeah, these four Hokage are no longer sealed, but we don't even know exactly what Kishi is going to do with them and there's a bunch of bitching. Let's save the bitching for if something truly retarded happens.

[liggy 0]

what the fuck Sauce had that many Zetsus inside him and didn't realize shit?

post sauce and itachi fight, while sauce was recovering i would say tobi planted genjitsu in him to hide the presence of the zetsus. while revealing what happen with itachi. he had his sharingan active till itachis sharingan trap card activated amaterasu

[Lucavi]

Uh, didn't they need a sharingan to get into the area where they are now? Orochi didn't have a sharingan to do so. When he was training sasuke he MIGHT have had an opportunity to, but this chapter revealed that sasuke is all talk now that he has a chance to crush the leaf but hesitates cause he needs "answers". Orochi knew this and never attempted to force sasuke to do this for that very reason, especially since he couldn't change bodies until the day he and sasuke fought.

It all makes sense, its just lame to undo literally years of plot development because of this same fucking technique.

Ding ding ding. People need to calm the fuck down and re-read chapters. Oro was planning on taking the sauce or itachi's body originally to obtain all jutsu (most likely not simply through sharingan, but eventually through continuous transplanting of bodies until his rinnegan developed), which was temporarily shunted when his arms were sealed. Remember that he also couldn't perform edo tensei whilst his arms were perma-fucked. What's really incredible is that he has so many fucking techniques that don't require complex seals.

However, he's now curious as to what has caused the change in the Sauce between the last time he saw him (up to and during the fight with itachi, when he was still a whiny little bitch kid) and now (reasonably level-headed, wanting answers before making ultimate decisions), and knows that not only can he NOT obtain the sauce's body now (both through his lack of arms and the sauce's stupid sosanooo powers at this point), but that if he cooperates with him instead, he'll not only get his arms back, but potentially a shit-load more power.

Look at how much he's gained thus far:

Arms: Check
Bitchin new body complete with copious amounts of Hashirama's DNA and chakra: Double check

There's absolutely no reason for him to try some stupid gambit to take the sauce's body right now. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose from playing along and letting things ride out. He's growing in power, once again, through allowing other people to obtain their own goals.

The only thing I dislike is why suddenly we learn that if one knows the seal formation for the edo tensei, they can undo the contract, yet when Orochimaru first summoned Niidaime Hokage, who fucking invented the jutsu, he had plenty of time to talk to Sandaime, but not enough, apparently, to undo the fucking jutsu and launch an epic counter-attack at Oro.

I will chalk that up to manga needing to proceed smoothly in each fight to keep the money rolling in, but don't act as if I don't see you, semi-plothole. Its the same shit as with wrestling.

[Salodin]

Itachi genjutsud Kabuto to make the seals. The technique user has to be the one to release it.

I wanna learn more about Oros angle, he just switched bodies again. He can't do it again till presumably after the end of the manga; what's his plan now? Is he just gonna give up and live a hermit life?

The one thing that's always bothered me is its mentioned he helped danzo get his sharingan arm, why didn't he just take a sharingan or five for his own uses while doing so? It makes no sense to me if his whole plan revolves around getting a sharingan, and he doesn't seize the opportunity to do so when its practically given to him on a silver platter. But this is another problem entirely.

[ronin sparthos]

Could he not simply transplant a Sharingan into his new body and cause the Rinnegan to awaken? With a Zetsu body he doesn't really need to be in an Uchiha vessel anymore.

[Odin'sLaw]

btw why is everyone over reading the 6 zetsu's? when he is inactive he is in a spore based form when jugo added sage style charka (very pure and powerful chakra) they fed on it and grew, since sage chakra normally turns humans into toads i have a feeling the over flow of chakra just makes Zetsu sluggish

for more details on the inactiveness of Zetsu go look up the 5 Kage summit

[Tsuneo]

Orochi's body could probably handle the Sharingan now, but as far as I know, Obito is the only one with a lab full of Sharingans.

[Khajit]

The only thing I dislike is why suddenly we learn that if one knows the seal formation for the edo tensei, they can undo the contract, yet when Orochimaru first summoned Niidaime Hokage, who fucking invented the jutsu, he had plenty of time to talk to Sandaime, but not enough, apparently, to undo the fucking jutsu and launch an epic counter-attack at Oro.

I will chalk that up to manga needing to proceed smoothly in each fight to keep the money rolling in, but don't act as if I don't see you, semi-plothole. Its the same shit as with wrestling.

It's fairly simple actually. As salodin said Kabuto was distracted at the time. Orochimaru however wasn't so there was no window to do the seal.You have to use it while being completely controlled basically.

[kuronosan]

The only thing I dislike is why suddenly we learn that if one knows the seal formation for the edo tensei, they can undo the contract, yet when Orochimaru first summoned Niidaime Hokage, who fucking invented the jutsu, he had plenty of time to talk to Sandaime, but not enough, apparently, to undo the fucking jutsu and launch an epic counter-attack at Oro.

They didn't have free will when they were summoned. Kabuto gave Madara his free will when summoning him which gave him the chance to undo the jutsu.

[arus2001]

Zetsu can also clone chakra as per the Neji incident earlier in the war. So, even if Sauce could identify strange chakra on himself otherwise, Zetsu could camo np.

[Xno Kappa]

Obito is the only one with a lab full of Sharingans.

And yet Orochimaru supposedly helped Danzou with his Sharingarm during a time when the Uchiha clan was still around and plentiful to get an inventory of them.

[Lucavi]

They didn't have free will when they were summoned. Kabuto gave Madara his free will when summoning him which gave him the chance to undo the jutsu.

They had free will enough to prattle a bit, though now that I've watched it again, their bodies didn't move. However, if that was the case, then how would Madara ever know that the key was to undo the seals himself? How would he, or anyone else revived by the edo tensei prior to Kabuto's enhancement, have had the ability to undo the seals for him to know that they could be undone? It still reeks of plothole to me.

[Deadgye]

Madara didn't "undo" the jutsu. Kubuto ended the jutsu and Madara, using his knowledge of the jutsu, stopped himself from becoming undone. The Second was never given a chance to stay in existence, as Orochimaru never tried to end the jutsu. Furthermore there's absolutely no reason for him to want to stay in existence as a zombie.

[Salodin]

To answer how Madara knew, something something insight into abilities via mastery of sharingan/rinnegan.

[DrClout]

I for one like how they are using the Edo Tensai here. It's not being done as some DBZ moment for manpower but as information gathering. There's currently only 1 technique to bring a personal back to life and Edo Tensai isn't it. I feel pretty well knowing that it's becoming more established this way. As great as it may seem, I don't think these 4 Kage will be of much use on the front lines. Madara obviously is aware of the weakness of the jutsu and can simply undo it. Plus the control, Orochi, has no interest in sending them out to help anyway. 1st/2nd Kage's information would be extremely useful since both of them were alive and have fought with Madara. 3rd/4th Kage's won't tell us anything we don't already know but they'll definitely be the ones to cement Sasuke's resolve to STOP EMS Moon Eye plan (only this).

Sasuke was given some nice character development here and the last 2-3 chapters he's been with Orochi. It shows that he's just been a kid thrown out to the world looking for guidance. He may have been a whiny bitch but that was his cry for help that only the wrong people answered. Looking forward to seeing what he does with the answers he going to get.

[Gredival]

Madara didn't "undo" the jutsu. Kubuto ended the jutsu and Madara, using his knowledge of the jutsu, stopped himself from becoming undone. The Second was never given a chance to stay in existence, as Orochimaru never tried to end the jutsu. Furthermore there's absolutely no reason for him to want to stay in existence as a zombie.

I believe Madara said something to the effect that if the summoned shinobi knows the jutsu they can break the caster's control, so they can't be manipulated or dismissed. The infinite chakra and regenerating body are already part of the spell.

Madara obviously is aware of the weakness of the jutsu and can simply undo it.

See above, he won't be able to counter the Hokage zombies.

[Tymon]

Kidding me? Of course they will fight.

Kishimoto has adopted a theme of showing off every significant character in the series AND their abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if White Fang Sakumo was introduced in some form.

None of these guys have had anywhere close to their true ability shown off. Not even Hiruzen.

This IS DBZ at this point. Everyone gets a piece of the power level pie.

[Abandon]

god, to see Minato in action, now?! fucking penis throbbing

YELLOW FLASH AND MEGA FUCKING OP NARUTO DOUBLE RASEN-SHURIKEN BIJUU BOMB, GOOOO

Especially since he mirrored the Rasengan after seeing a bijuu bomb? oh man

[Sho]

The Second Hokage will be the guy to look to for clues on what's going on, to be honest. His generation ushered in the Military Police, who was mainly consisted of Uchiha at the time in a manner to survey their own people. Also to you dudes saying the Hokage could undo Edo Tensei-- the Second didn't even master it himself after creating it, so it leaves it to be seen between the First, Third, and Fourth. Madara obviously knows how to undo it, as well as Orichimaru and Kabuto ("limited" knowledge).

My problem with this mindfuck is The Fourth. Hopefully Kishi remembers that Minato didn't actually meet meet his son, and that it was his chakra that took form of his persona spoke to him instead. If they meet up and have a "continuation" of their previous conversation it's gonna put a hole in the plot so huge, lol. If nothing else, Kishi cleaned up the fiasco of the Third "preventing the summoning" of the Fourth way back when during his fight with Orochimaru with this chapter and the last chapter where Kabuto explained Edo Tensei.

[Salodin]

Eh, they won't actually meet. Orochi would have to want to join the battle, and I don't see him doing that. They'll probably get to rest in peace, leaving things to the "next generation of the will of fire". Power of friendship, etc.