Naruto

**Eurell** · 2013-01-31 07:19

Originally Posted by Sho

My problem with this mindfuck is The Fourth. Hopefully Kishi remembers that Minato didn't actually meet meet his son, and that it was his chakra that took form of his persona spoke to him instead. If they meet up and have a "continuation" of their previous conversation it's gonna put a hole in the plot so huge, lol. If nothing else, Kishi cleaned up the fiasco of the Third "preventing the summoning" of the Fourth way back when during his fight with Orochimaru with this chapter and the last chapter where Kabuto explained Edo Tensei.

Who really knows how that works though. They could just say the chakra he left in Naruto was like a shadow clone, so when it disappeared, his true self got all the memories from it.

**Abandon** · 2013-01-31 07:56

his true self is hella dead.

**Eurell** · 2013-01-31 07:58

Yeah lol, but they've got soul and shit. I'm just saying, IF he gos to the battlefield and IF he meets up with Naruto and IF he somehow remembers his talk their talk, then I'm sure there's plenty of ways to write it to make sense.

**Sunrider** · 2013-01-31 07:59

Zombie Minato would remember that he planted his chakra in Naruto, and he'd know what he intended to say and do for Naruto and, given the current circumstances, he could probably guess how his spirit conversation with Naruto turned out.

So the two of them picking up like they'd already met probably wouldn't be so strange.

**DrClout** · 2013-01-31 08:15

Kabuto explained that. The 4th was already sealed by the Dead Demon Seal so it was just something Orochi didn't know about at the time. To stop the technique, again, Kabuto mentioned you needed to take control of the user and force the undo seals. Would a master of the Sharigan such a Madara would really have trouble doing something like that with Orochi . . . or anyone currently out there save MAYBE Sasuke?

If the 4th and Naruto ever do meet up, I can see him being mindfucked to all hell lol. He'd be continuing the conversation and he'd be all "dafuq you talkin bout son. that was just an interactive voicemail!"

**Saga** · 2013-01-31 08:26

Can't people just enjoy a manga for being a manga? I mean all this nitpicking and bitching and moaning about plot holes, trying to explain every little thing - is it really that fun for people? Not trying to be a dick, but...just shut up and enjoy something entertaining for what it is.

**samalis** · 2013-01-31 08:31

Originally Posted by Saga

Can't people just enjoy a manga for being a manga? I mean all this nitpicking and bitching and moaning about plot holes, trying to explain every little thing - is it really that fun for people? Not trying to be a dick, but...just shut up and enjoy something entertaining for what it is.

Yeah everyone shut the fuck up and don't discuss things.

Just circlejerk and enjoy shitty plot jutsus. No discussions allowed.

**Abandon** · 2013-01-31 08:46

Originally Posted by Saga

Can't people just enjoy a manga for being a manga? I mean all this nitpicking and bitching and moaning about plot holes, trying to explain every little thing - is it really that fun for people? Not trying to be a dick, but...just shut up and enjoy something entertaining for what it is.

shut up

**Saga** · 2013-01-31 09:02

Originally Posted by Abandon

shut up

no u

sorry, go back to being grown men raging over a comic aimed at teenagers.

**Abandon** · 2013-01-31 09:05

will do

**Lucavi** · 2013-01-31 09:16

Originally Posted by Sho

My problem with this mindfuck is The Fourth. Hopefully Kishi remembers that Minato didn't actually meet meet his son, and that it was his chakra that took form of his persona spoke to him instead. If they meet up and have a "continuation" of their previous conversation it's gonna put a hole in the plot so huge, lol. If nothing else, Kishi cleaned up the fiasco of the Third "preventing the summoning" of the Fourth way back when during his fight with Orochimaru with this chapter and the last chapter where Kabuto explained Edo Tensei.

It might not work that way. What was Orochimaru in Anko except a bundle of his chakra placed as a curse seal, yet he had a full personality and full surveillance of whatever she saw while in her (which brings up the plot-hole of him having access to so much of Konoha's high-level intelligence for ALL of those years). If Minato's chakara seal in Naruto works anything like that, it's going to be a similar result.

Well, it could be a similar result. We'll see.

**vadre** · 2013-01-31 09:37

Horcruxes, horcruxes everywhere.

**Eurell** · 2013-01-31 10:29

Originally Posted by Saga

Can't people just enjoy a manga for being a manga? I mean all this nitpicking and bitching and moaning about plot holes, trying to explain every little thing - is it really that fun for people? Not trying to be a dick, but...just shut up and enjoy something entertaining for what it is.

Honest question here, not trying to be an asshole. But why even come to this thread if you don't want to discuss shit? Just check the manga site wednesday morning to read it, and that would be the end of it. This thread is here for discussion and nitpicking and explaining plot holes and shit.

**kuronosan** · 2013-01-31 10:32

Originally Posted by vadre

Horcruxes, horcruxes everywhere.

I should have pictured Harry Potter but instead pictured Byakuya and Ulquiorra.

**Damane** · 2013-01-31 10:56

Originally Posted by Saga

Can't people just enjoy a manga for being a manga? I mean all this nitpicking and bitching and moaning about plot holes, trying to explain every little thing - is it really that fun for people? Not trying to be a dick, but...just shut up and enjoy something entertaining for what it is.

Because the Plot-Jutsus are getting insanely retarded at this point.
We had allready enough Sharingan plot-jutsu shit.
Now we are getting Insane Edo-Tensei Plot-jutsu shit combined with sharingan plot-jutsu shit. How many times was Edo-Tensei used now? 3-4 times?
And we just started to touch Rinnegan plot-jutsus . . . (remember when pain resurrected everyone from the village?)

It feels like the Manga has jumped the shark or so with it. Especially with Orochimaru getting his arms back so easy and unsealing the 4 Hokages.

**Sho** · 2013-01-31 11:28

Originally Posted by Eurell

Honest question here, not trying to be an asshole. But why even come to this thread if you don't want to discuss shit? Just check the manga site wednesday morning to read it, and that would be the end of it. This thread is here for discussion and nitpicking and explaining plot holes and shit.

People will always feel the need to exert their own opinion and ideals on others, even if the topic at hand has nothing to do with them and everyone is doing better off without said opinion. What we are doing is no different from people in FFXI/FFXIV breaking the game(s) down into mathematics instead of "just enjoying the game" or pretty much any fighting game chat on BG where individual matches and/or dialogue between well known FGC players are broken down into pieces.

People find the fun in breaking down the mindset of an author and putting themselves in his or her shoes, and attempting to "seeing what they see" when they write these manga.

Originally Posted by Lucavi

It might not work that way. What was Orochimaru in Anko except a bundle of his chakra placed as a curse seal, yet he had a full personality and full surveillance of whatever she saw while in her (which brings up the plot-hole of him having access to so much of Konoha's high-level intelligence for ALL of those years). If Minato's chakara seal in Naruto works anything like that, it's going to be a similar result.

Well, it could be a similar result. We'll see.

It's a bit different for Orochimaru-- he sealed a part of his consciousness into every person he placed a cursed seal on, so he could give himself a chance to resurrect himself in the event that he was killed. We know also know that his DNA has to come into contact with the seal itself for the resurrection as well and that it transfers all of the knowledge it gathered into his next incarnation as he's revived.

It indeed could play out the same way, but it's way more of a stretch to say Minato sealed a portion of his consciousness into Naruto, despite his entire soul being sealed into the Shinigami. If that is the case, would his consciousness float back to his new Edo Tensei'd body from Naruto? Or would it just make more sense for Minato to actually have physical contact with him to revive his thoughts and former conversation with his son? That is also part of my problem with him being revived. I guess we'll see in the next chapter.

**Ragnus** · 2013-01-31 11:34

Personally I kinda want the manga to end with Tobidara winning at this point with the final chapter being Obito heading back to town in his distopian fantasy world, passing all the other characters who are going about their normal non violent ninja lives and sitting down at a tavern with Rin, Kakashi, and Minato before subconsciously shedding a tear at the fact that he's the only one who knows he's living a lie.

**Eurell** · 2013-01-31 11:35

Wasn't Orochi's whole soul sealed away by Itachi though? Idk, I could see Kishi going either way with this, if they even meet.

**kuronosan** · 2013-01-31 11:38

Originally Posted by Ragnus

Personally I kinda want the manga to end with Tobidara winning at this point with the final chapter being Obito heading back to town in his distopian fantasy world, passing all the other characters who are going about their normal non violent ninja lives and sitting down at a tavern with Rin, Kakashi, and Minato before subconsciously shedding a tear at the fact that he's the only one who knows he's living a lie.

I almost want this to happen.

**Sho** · 2013-01-31 12:14

Originally Posted by Eurell

Wasn't Orochi's whole soul sealed away by Itachi though? Idk, I could see Kishi going either way with this, if they even meet.

Ahh yea, that's what I meant. Being sealed away for eternity by Susano'o (or a Shinigami) is essentially like being killed off. You know, unless you find a mask and some Zetsus.

I'm liking Rag's Naruto ending. It even feels reasonable. However movie #6 is essentially that with a twist, lol.

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