Naruto

**Boyiee** · 2013-02-21 01:25

I was just watching the Zabuza fight the other day and thought about how back in the day we watched him learn to climb trees, walk on water, etc, and now kamehameha. Come a long way.

**ronin sparthos** · 2013-02-21 01:39

Lol handseals, lol ninja tool bag, lol chakra limits, lol soldier pills, lol kunais and other weapons.

**popsiclestix** · 2013-02-21 01:50

Originally Posted by kuronosan

Actually I think it's a good theme to use. It shows that the ninja cycle needs to be broken. You have friends that are close, trained together (or grew up together) and something drives one of them from the other. One is clearly good, one is clearly bad. Suddenly they're pitted against each other and in the process a newer, up and coming group of ninjas (in the same situation) find themselves in the middle of the conflict. One of their friends is killed, sending one of the friends into a frenzy and continuing the perpetual fighting.

The lesson being taught here is exactly that - that the cycle will only end when those that have lost realize that loss is inevitable and that by continuing the cycle of hatred all you are ensuring is that the cycle continues once you kill someone who is close to another that is fighting your conflict. Obito tried to do this with Naruto when Neji was killed while Hinata reminded him that death doesn't mean you should give in to hate. Orochimaru and Tobi succeeded with Sasuke because they preyed on his naivete.

From watching Bakuman, you just described the successful model of Shonen manga.

**popsiclestix** · 2013-02-21 01:54

Originally Posted by Abandon

Null, I already mentioned who it probably was. Remember Kushina's grandmother? First jinchurikii? Hashirama (or however the fuck it's spelled) accidentally stole her from Madara, aka that bitch didnt like him anyway, ala obito

Don't remember that, but I think she will steal Kurama from Madara.

**Vaspinne** · 2013-02-21 03:41

Originally Posted by popsiclestix

From watching Bakuman, you just described the successful model of Shonen manga.

Eh, I dunno about that. One Piece has been all about pursuing your dreams and being the bestest and most loyal of friends while having a noble soul. And Bleach... well... I dunno. Bleach is all sorts of terribad now but it was really popular in it's hay day. I can't speak for Toriko (Bleach's apparent replacement in the big 3), as I've never read it.

If anything, the successful Shonen model would be big fights between young'ish people taking down older bad people with terrible thoughts for humanity, mixed in with lots of friendship and doing the right thing, lots of comedy and drama, and just having a very strong theme or message. Naruto definitely has this message, young people breaking the cycle of the old and taking the future into their own hands which is pretty much exactly what Kuronosan described.

I dunno why people are surprised by it. It's been an on-going theme throughout the series. That old puppet-lady Chiyo pretty much spelled it out bluntly while she died. And looking back, the only Ninja who hasn't been caught in this love triangle cycle was Minato, which should only cement how awesome he is!

Not saying you're wrong, just going into more detail I guess lol.

Originally Posted by Abandon

Null, I already mentioned who it probably was. Remember Kushina's grandmother? First jinchurikii? Hashirama (or however the fuck it's spelled) accidentally stole her from Madara, aka that bitch didnt like him anyway, ala obito

It wasn't her grandmother, just another lady from the Uzumaki clan. And I wouldn't doubt if she got involved and this became another love triangle.

3 kids from 3 separate warring hire-for-murder ninja clans spend their late evenings together at a riverbank chucking rocks across a river in secret. They have tons of happy moments as kids building strong bonds of friendship, but as they grow up, reality sinks in and they have to go their separate ways and fight each other, the girl settling for the guy who her clan deems fit for her despite having strong feelings for the other guy. The one guy struggling to keep their bonds of friendship, and the other severing those bonds to becoming stronger.

That's what's gonna happen to Naru/Saku/Sasu... I mean, that's what's gonna happen to Kaka/Rin/Obito.... err... I mean, that's what's gonna happen to Jiraiya/Tsuna/Oro.... umm... no, I mean, that's what's gonna happen between Hashirama/Mito/Madara! Yeah, that one.

**Gokulo** · 2013-02-21 03:46

Bleach teaches you that having multiracial heritage makes you the bestest in the world.

**arus2001** · 2013-02-21 05:18

Kubo's a real American.

**Gredival** · 2013-02-21 06:41

Originally Posted by Vaspinne

3 kids from 3 separate warring hire-for-murder ninja clans spend their late evenings together at a riverbank chucking rocks across a river in secret. They have tons of happy moments as kids building strong bonds of friendship, but as they grow up, reality sinks in and they have to go their separate ways and fight each other, the girl settling for the guy who her clan deems fit for her despite having strong feelings for the other guy. The one guy struggling to keep their bonds of friendship, and the other severing those bonds to becoming stronger.

That's what's gonna happen to Naru/Saku/Sasu... I mean, that's what's gonna happen to Kaka/Rin/Obito.... err... I mean, that's what's gonna happen to Jiraiya/Tsuna/Oro.... umm... no, I mean, that's what's gonna happen between Hashirama/Mito/Madara! Yeah, that one.

The trio repeats itself in generations but there are some subversions in it along the way. Kakashi and Obito switch places; Kakashi started out as the loner but becomes the one who treasures the village and his allies, whereas Obito becomes the one focused on power. We never see that Tsunade had any interest in Orochimaru and she ends up being the Hokage rather than the good boy.

**Vaspinne** · 2013-02-21 06:49

Well yeah, they're not identical, but the general structure is the same

**Gokulo** · 2013-02-21 06:50

Yeah, but that's details. If they weren't changing that would be even more boring.

**Bail** · 2013-02-21 07:21

Originally Posted by arus2001

Kubo's a real American.

Just pictured Kubo drawing his chapters while blasting Hulk Hogans theme song...fantastic

**AoE** · 2013-02-21 08:16

Imagine your parents summoning the 1000 hand god mode to beat your ass.

**Kobb** · 2013-02-21 10:02

Originally Posted by AoE

Imagine your parents summoning the 1000 hand god mode to beat your ass.

http://gallery.mailchimp.com/22cb3cc...sassfinger.gif

**Souj** · 2013-02-21 10:03

you know what this recollection of past events inside of this flashback needs? An old man telling the young hashirama a story from his own childhood that his parents told him about the sage of six paths.

**The Blackrose** · 2013-02-21 11:40

Originally Posted by arus2001

Kubo's a real American.

I'm suddenly picturing Kubo's face over Hulk Hogan's while he's jamming on the guitar.

Fuck you.

**xElipsis** · 2013-02-21 16:20

The thousand hand technique reminded me a lot of Hunter x Hunter.

HxH manga spoiler

Spoiler: show

**arus2001** · 2013-02-21 18:21

Originally Posted by The Blackrose

I'm suddenly picturing Kubo's face over Hulk Hogan's while he's jamming on the guitar.

Fuck you.

FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY MAN!

**Deadgye** · 2013-02-21 20:45

You know what would be cool and totally solidify Naruto being awesome? If Minato taught him, or at least got him started on learning, the flying thundergod technique. He needs to learn some new ninja techniques.

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-02-21 21:14

Might as well make it full blown DBZ and have him teleporting all over the place chucking plasma.

**Deadgye** · 2013-02-21 21:20

I was thinking he wouldn't be proficient enough with it to use it in high level battle, but still able to use it by himself to travel between people or locations. Maybe like a wandering sage of six paths.

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