FFXI Wiki Misinformation

[Cephius]

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I'm a little tired of people referencing the FFXI Wiki database as if it is the end-all-be-all of FFXI information. A lot of things on there seem to be lacking or just plain wrong and I wonder just how far the misinformation reaches. For example, it lists Tiamat as being able to cast Fire IV (something 90%+ of us know to be false) and I've never heard of any proof that Light Gorget affects every Achery and Marksmanship WS. I'm wondering if anyone else has found information that they know to be blatently false that has been posted on there as if it were fact.

And before anyone drops the "It's a Community site, you can edit things yourself" card, it seems that at least one of the admins refuses to accept that the community may be right when he is wrong. Read the link in Lordwafik's sig to see what I'm talking about, but basically the guy refuses to admit that weaponskills (both monster and player) cannot be paralyzed despite a fuckton of evidence to the contrary.

Anyway, there's no doubt that FFXI wiki has a ton of reliable info, but the misinformation (and the refusal to fix some) irks me and I'm wondering if there's more false information than the few I've dug up.

Also, referencing alla posts for Assaults info is lol.

[BRP]

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Talkaral ... _Effect%29

The link in Wafik's sig.

I haven't read it now, I'm going to go do that now.

[Thistle]

Most of the chocobo digging information is Just Plain Wrong. For a while it annoyed me and I thought about rewriting the whole page, then I realized that other diggers having misinformation helps me, so...

[divisortheory]

If something is wrong, fix it. Jesus christ, a lot of people dont' seem to understand the concept of a wiki, and then they go bitching about misinformation. Instead of saying "omg the wiki is a piece of shit it has misinformation!!" take 10 seconds and correct the shit.

YOU can edit the wiki. If you don't, you can't complain about misinformation.

[aurik]

YOU can edit the wiki. If you don't, you can't complain about misinformation.

Can't edit the wiki when the administrators there lock the page to keep the misinformation intact!

[BRP]

If something is wrong, fix it. Jesus christ, a lot of people dont' seem to understand the concept of a wiki, and then they go bitching about misinformation. Instead of saying "omg the wiki is a piece of shit it has misinformation!!" take 10 seconds and correct the shit.

YOU can edit the wiki. If you don't, you can't complain about misinformation.

If you are talking about the Chocobo Digging, yes I agree. But for the paralyze thing, he won't let people fix it.

Just read it and wow, what the hell. I guess his pride got in the way and he doesn't want to admit he was wrong.

[archibaldcrane]

If something is wrong, fix it. Jesus christ, a lot of people dont' seem to understand the concept of a wiki, and then they go bitching about misinformation. Instead of saying "omg the wiki is a piece of shit it has misinformation!!" take 10 seconds and correct the shit.

YOU can edit the wiki. If you don't, you can't complain about misinformation.

QFT. It's not a "complete be-all-end-all" source of info, but it's getting there. I'm frequently editing pages on there to make them more precise or correcting obvious errors. Hell, I even just streamline formatting sometimes - and my "coding" skills are next to nil. While the mod in the paralyze discussion seems like kind of a douche, since he is absolutely incorrect and appears to be wielding his power unfairly, I've never run into anything like that and I use this page all the time.

edit: The Tiamat casting fire IV is still on there. I'm not going to fix it because I am not 100% sure that he can't - I've never fought him - but if you know it to be false, then just fix it - it takes 30 seconds.

[Lordwafik]

If something is wrong, fix it. Jesus christ, a lot of people dont' seem to understand the concept of a wiki, and then they go bitching about misinformation. Instead of saying "omg the wiki is a piece of shit it has misinformation!!" take 10 seconds and correct the shit.

YOU can edit the wiki. If you don't, you can't complain about misinformation.

Nope lol. Read the topic at hand, they locked us from editing their bullshit.

[VZX]

and I've never heard of any proof that Light Gorget affects every Achery and Marksmanship WS. I'm wondering if anyone else has found information that they know to be blatently false that has been posted on there as if it were fact.

I've never seen any page explicitly said that
but it's true for all WS except for Namas Arrow and Coronach

[archibaldcrane]

Right now the paralyze page reads:

"It is currently disputed whether paralysis can stop a player's weapon skill. If it can, it happens very rarely. It is also disputed whether the enemies' special abilities and/or avatars' blood pact abilities are affected by paralysis. See the talk page for more discussion."

And is currently editable. Edit wars and disputes are a part of the wiki process unfortunately, sometimes being right isn't enough - the other person also has to realize they are wrong. And they will, or just give up, just give it a little time.

[NynJa]

If something is wrong, fix it. Jesus christ, a lot of people dont' seem to understand the concept of a wiki, and then they go bitching about misinformation. Instead of saying "omg the wiki is a piece of shit it has misinformation!!" take 10 seconds and correct the shit.

YOU can edit the wiki. If you don't, you can't complain about misinformation.

If you are talking about the Chocobo Digging, yes I agree. But for the paralyze thing, he won't let people fix it.

Just read it and wow, what the hell. I guess his pride got in the way and he doesn't want to admit he was wrong.

Sounds like Chiz

[Cephius]

and I've never heard of any proof that Light Gorget affects every Achery and Marksmanship WS. I'm wondering if anyone else has found information that they know to be blatently false that has been posted on there as if it were fact.

I've never seen any page explicitly said that
but it's true for all WS except for Namas Arrow and Coronach

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Light_Gorget

Says it towards the bottom there.


And I get it - you can edit any information - but if the admins lock the topic once, how do we know they haven't done it in the past or will do it again? How can we take anything as fact with stuff like that going on? Why even bother correcting things if it may be reverted anyway. That's my point and that's why I created this thread, to see if its happened anywhere else.

[Taj]

Needs more BGwiki only editable by people who know what the fuck they're talking about.

[divisortheory]

If something is wrong, fix it. Jesus christ, a lot of people dont' seem to understand the concept of a wiki, and then they go bitching about misinformation. Instead of saying "omg the wiki is a piece of shit it has misinformation!!" take 10 seconds and correct the shit.

YOU can edit the wiki. If you don't, you can't complain about misinformation.

Nope lol. Read the topic at hand, they locked us from editing their bullshit.

I did read that one, and I agree that was bullshit. The opinions of one person shouldn't be weighed more heavily than the opinions of another person. But the whole point of wiki is evolution, so I imagine some day tht will get fixed.

[archibaldcrane]

I did alot of the WS adding to the gorget pages, but always listed individual WSs. I don't really see the point in bunching archery/marksmanship WS up in that type of "and all etc." format, since it's different from every other gorget page. It may be true - VZX is more of a "fundamental WS theory" guy than I am, but I still dislike that formatting.

[CubsWoo]

The problem with a lot of freely editable info sites (ffxiclopedia, wikipedia etc) is that sometimes it isn't about who's right, it's about which self-diagnosed Asperger's member wants to camp a topic and edit war anyone who dares to disagree regardless of accuracy.

Even if it is editable right now the only 'dispute' is that someone with admin powers disagrees with the facts and that's enough to make the page reflect the doubt of one person over the rest of the community.

Wikis in general are (usually) good enough to get general info on this or that but if you want real specifics or reliable in-depth info you're in the wrong place.

[Taj]

I always thought it would be funny if someone edited all the positions in the Mission guides to be incorrect. Maybe I'm just an asshole. :(

[divisortheory]

BTW, the topic isn't locked anymore. So it's editable again.

Change it to say something like "some people have claimed that weaponskills have been affected by paralyze, although the majority of the FFXI community seems to agree that it is not possible, and no screenshot proof has ever been provided to support the claim." then put a verification tag. Big deal.

[archibaldcrane]

fixed for stronger language:

"It is strongly believed by a vast majority of the FFXI community that paralyze cannot prevent a player's weapon skill, with only anecdotal evidence to the contrary. If it can, it happens very rarely. It is also strongly believed by a vast majority of the FFXI community that paralyze cannot prevent an enemies' special abilities and/or avatars' blood pact abilities. See the talk page for more discussion."

[BRP]

Needs more BGwiki only editable by people who know what the fuck they're talking about.

I think Sonomaa already gets kicked in the ass with sever fees, I don't know that'll be a good idea ;o.

What I say is that we talk to the owner of the FFXI Wiki directly and say "Look, if you listen to us, you'll have the best fucking FFXI database on the web. It's not like we are some kind of central body that have all the same thoughts. On BG, stuff is posted and tested, and the result that proves to be fact is considered a "scientific law"... because thats what happens in BG, something similar to the scientific method, which is tested with numbers and only numbers, not gut feelings. People debate and work together to get the answers. This is why many people feel BG is the superior FFXI forum, not the elitist attitudes".