Question about Jorm's spellcasting.

[psnsonixx]

eh... like I said we did it fine w/ 24-28... and your plds actually lose hate? hmph ok.

Yeah, back in the days before PLD could get 8/tick refresh going you could lose hate after eating lasers and not having mp to C4 yourself.

we get 12/tick actually, relic horn.. and before you complain about that shit any ls not capable of atleast 1 relic by now is not end game.. we almost have 5 and i know several ls's are doing better then us in that department. keep up with the times

[MF Perm]

wait what? You telling me I was invited to one or two jorms? LOL.. ignorance is bliss.. 35 jorms and 48 tiamats later, I think I know how to handle wyrms without being a pussy and kiting them and using 60 people.. do some research before you talk shit and say this can't be done or that can't be done.

You're the one making claims without screens or videos, unless I'm missing something. Without you backing up your words the only thing I need to research is another cleverly worded insult refering to some obscure 90's hip hop stars hairstyle.

I'll say that yes, if you have a group of individuals that forgo personal hygiene, society, pussy and porn; focusing all of that energy into relic and such - yes a smaller group will be capable of a 30 man straight up Vrtra in a reasonable amount of time ( and some luck ).

[psnsonixx]

we got tons of ss's on our website about the 6 man jorm.. that's proof enough, and there was a thread about it here on bg.. http://www.ffxi-poisoned.com .. poke around.

[Beckwin]

Vrtra seems to require more manpower, but I'd say Jorm is the most difficult wyrm to survive. Double/triple wing can drop a taru np, and blizzaga is more difficult to stun then say, Tiamat's firaga. Paralyga is a bitch too. Also, ice resist build is really kinda rough on Jorm, and I can't totally explain why other than the frequent ice weather and shorter flight durations making getting carol up a lot more taxing on the brd. Less available ice resist gear too, to my knowledge.

If you just consider the wyrms themselves (forget the adds), Jorm is probably the toughest.

[MF Perm]

we got tons of ss's on our website about the 6 man jorm.. that's proof enough, and there was a thread about it here on bg.. http://www.ffxi-poisoned.com .. poke around.

I never tried to refute the 6 man Jorm, I've read these boards long enough to catch that it has occured. The argument here is Jorm's difficulty and some asshat comparing it to Aspi, and talking about straight tanking Vrtra with 24 people and ( I'm assuming ) beating him in the same timeframe as a kited Vrtra with 30ish and not using Kclubs to accomplish that.

So let's center ourselves, get your pretend ego out of the way and try to talk like a couple of adults ( assuming you are older than how you present your posts ).

[psnsonixx]

vrtra doesn't "Require" more man power people just give up and bring more..

yes, jorm w/ 12 is harder then vrtra w/ 60.. Maybe.. i dunno.. never had 60.

Blizzaga isn't hard to stun.. I do it on my dual boxed blm all the time when we are lacking a rdm to do it. it just takes proper filters and a little practice..

I'm sorry, Jorm is not hard.. it's extremely easy... I just don't understand.

[Beckwin]

pulling the RL card = lame cop-out

[psnsonixx]

whoever compared to jorm to aspi is.. well.. im sorry that's just stupid.. aspi isn't even worth mentioning anymore...

[psnsonixx]

a little irony I was fighting jorm while typing those replies as solo pld tank.. zzzzzzzzzzz :D

[TrueZero]

whoever compared to jorm to aspi is.. well.. im sorry that's just stupid.. aspi isn't even worth mentioning anymore...

That's all I was saying lol. Arguing Jorm/Vrtra difficulty makes a bit more sense than Jorm/Aspid.

[yoyo]

eh... like I said we did it fine w/ 24-28... and your plds actually lose hate? hmph ok.

Yeah, back in the days before PLD could get 8/tick refresh going you could lose hate after eating lasers and not having mp to C4 yourself.

we get 12/tick actually, relic horn.. and before you complain about that shit any ls not capable of atleast 1 relic by now is not end game.. we almost have 5 and i know several ls's are doing better then us in that department. keep up with the times

I do know plenty of End Game that do not have 1 Relic lol, the reason why is they wait for people to get to stage 4 to start helping them through Lv5 ><

[Sheeba]

we got tons of ss's on our website about the 6 man jorm.. that's proof enough, and there was a thread about it here on bg.. http://www.ffxi-poisoned.com .. poke around.

I never tried to refute the 6 man Jorm, I've read these boards long enough to catch that it has occured. The argument here is Jorm's difficulty and some asshat comparing it to Aspi, and talking about straight tanking Vrtra with 24 people and ( I'm assuming ) beating him in the same timeframe as a kited Vrtra with 30ish and not using Kclubs to accomplish that.

So let's center ourselves, get your pretend ego out of the way and try to talk like a couple of adults ( assuming you are older than how you present your posts ).

LOL, this thread is funny, I take a week off of web searching and see this funny argument.

So funny to see this guy having the argument so blindly with the leader of the ls that killed Jorm with 6 and does wryms undermanned compared to other ls's on other servers anyday.

Either way several ls's on our server (Diabolos) tanked Vrtra straight up with 25 ppl or less and no kiting...we always thought kitining was the "pussy" way to kill it on our server.

Anyway since I am from an ls that seems to only kill Jorm...(probably cause Tiamat is so hard to claim) idk I find him the easiest by far. We have killed Tiamat a few times and found him more difficult. We take the adds within the alliance as well and kill most our wryrms with 16-24, not saying thats any accomplishment but whatever. Having fought all three wryrms over my end game career if you don't factor in the adds I say the order of difficulty is :Tiamat>Jorm>Vrtra.

If you do factor in the adds I would say it's: Vrtra>Jorm>Tiamat.

However this is my opinion and it really is based entirely on how your ls's choses to fight these mobs.

Anyway back to watching Heroes.

[Beckwin]

The add effect on tiamat's Wing is nothing, Firaga is easier to stun than blizzaga, its super easy to get a nice resist build for tiamat, which leaves you with Mighty Strikes as your only concern.... which is easily taken care of by shadows.