Rutter Sabatons Vs. Creek Clomps

[Iono]

Jobs: BRD BLU BST COR DRK DRG NIN PLD RDM RNG SAM THF WAR
Defense: 16
Strength +3
Vitality +2
Attack +5
Slow +2%

Vs.

Level: 62
RSE
Jobs: All
Races: Tarutaru
Defense: 9
HP +35
MP -35
Strength +4
Vitality +4
Intelligence -3

Which one do you think is beter for WS gear? I have 75 WAR which the Taru RSE will be superior on Steel Cyclone, but other than that dunno if it'll matter. Perhaps the Att+5 will be better than the 1 STR?

IMO, the Taru RSE seems better, but I hear so many people talk about Rutters. Perhaps it's just because they are not taru and don't have the RSE as an option?

Also I am up and coming DRG and SAM.
Thoughts? Or other equip? TY for your time.

[Sci]

Hecatomb feet are also a good option. Just use RSE for your SAM, Hecatomb for WAR and DRG.

[Iono]

I can't get Hecatomb

I don't play as much now, and I definately don't have time to contribute to a HNM/Sky LS. So I don't feel right joining one.

[Bluedemon]

for WS damage, the difference between the two is so rediculously insignficant, it really doesn't matter which ones you use. Just go with which ever one is easier for you to get your hands on.

[Iono]

Actually I have both

Have had the Taru Clomps for a long time, but recently obtained the Sabatons thru an intense duo of THF+WHM 8)

[Bluedemon]

Ah then I guess it really doesn't matter. I don't foresee either pair out parsing the other. Sell clomps if you need/want the gil, otherwise just close your eyes and do an inny-mini-miney-moe.

[Midnightjade]

Anybody know the drop rate on rutters, and how much it's improved by TH2? I've read a lot of variable reports.

I've had an airtank for months, and now that my BST is up to the level where I can use these boots, I figure I might as well get them for use in WS set.

Thanks.

[Iono]

Any idea at what amount of ATT would beat 1 STR for WS? Let's say at 75.

As in, #? ATT > 1 STR ?

[Furionstormrage]

Although the extra 1 STR on RSE is nice...

Rutters give VIT and STR (Steel Cylcone's modifiers)
Rutters are free (if you farmed the Tank)

And Midnightjade, I've gone on 2 Rutters runs for people
First run was 5/5
Second was 2/5
No THF or /THF either time.

[Kattice]

I'm not sure, but Rutters are definately second only to the hecta set for WAR, but to be honest, I still see some people forgoing the switching and just using the AF legs on the off chance they get a double attack during the WS.

[Iono]

Although the extra 1 STR on RSE is nice...

Rutters give VIT and STR (Steel Cylcone's modifiers)
Rutters are free (if you farmed the Tank)

Taru RSE gives 4 STR and 4 VIT.

That's why

Which one do you think is beter for WS gear? I have 75 WAR which the Taru RSE will be superior on Steel Cyclone, but other than that dunno if it'll matter.

As for wearing AF boots on WS that's kinda ridiculous. I'd rather have the constant additional DMG on all my WSs opposed to the slight increase in a chance of double attacking. Don't get me wrong, Double attacking WSs is great, but from what I remember the Double attack on boots is very low.

[Judai]

I voted Taru RSE and I use them but they are so ugly. Use w/e you like, the difference is not big.

[Iono]

Mainly it's just a question of

1 STR vs 5 ATT, I think. As long as you're not tanking or anything, the VIT doesn't really matter. Unless of course steel cyclone.

Honestly I have no idea about ATT caps or when STR is more important than Att on WSs.

My thoughts are mainly that everyone says Rutter Sabaton's are second to heca, only because they don't realize that Taru melee can use Taru RSE.

I'm not trying to prove people wrong, just to decide which are the best boots for me. Once again TY all who help ^^)/

[Judai]

Yea, that's why I'm saying it's w/e your prefrence is, the diference is so minute. I think the RSE cause Taru lacks in STR so badly. STR is more of a modifier for WSs then ATK. So to directly increase your WS, use STR.

[Alastaire]

I'm no WS formula expert, but I'd go with your RSE, just because being a Taru, you'll want every extra point of STR you can get to try and match up with everyone else. As was mentioned before, there will HARDLY be a difference, if it's even noticeable, but I would go with RSE.

[Miriamel]

Anybody know the drop rate on rutters, and how much it's improved by TH2? I've read a lot of variable reports.

I went 1/4 once, and 2/3 another time. Both with TH2. Can't say much beyond that.

[VZX]

Assume there is a better choice between the 2:
If one of them offer you a damage range:
800~890
and the other one offer you a damage range:
804~896

Where, 95% of the time you'll see the damage range in
800~890
do you even bother with it?
I'll go with no.


As for the true answer :
Deciding whether going STR for +x amount is better than/worse than going attack for +y amount is a non-linear problem.
I'm no mathematician, but I know how to solve linear problems.
If anyone know how to solve non-linear problems, I'd like to learn some from you. (seriously)

[mikazuki]

in regard to OP, sell the rse if you want the money for them, they are unlikely to give you significant damage difference on any mob other than one with an unusually low attack and high vit - even then it'd be unusual to notice the difference.


vzx describe a non-linear problem and i'll see if i can help, send me a PM if you like or open a topic about it and notify me.
i don't remember... is a linear function y=ax+b or does it include y=ax^2+bx+c?
if you want to do y=x^2+z^2 that is more difficult because you can only show it graphically in 3d, y=x^2+z^2+a^2 you can't graph but it's still simple to put numbers through.
anyway...

[VZX]

sent you a PM
actually, the formula isn't that complicated, but when you have compound variables of 3 variables. It'll make the problem very2 complicated

[SamanosukeShiva]

I'd go with Rutter, as SAM I always have too much STR and not enough attack to back it up, even with attack food. +Attack is good when your RDM not debuffing the mob enough >.>