Besieged Adjustments 2/20/07

[Sagacious Sundi]

Fun Fact: The Goblin language (also used by Moblins) is basically a sloppy version of English (well, Vana'dielian in the game), so Movalpolos is probably translated as "Mobilepolis" and thus means "mobile city". Oldton and Newton mean "old town" and "new town" I guess? (Oldton was dug up 20? years ago or something and Newton was dug up because of what LD said.)

I also like Kyreth's Megomak/Megalomaniac connection and stuff.

EDIT: Goblin/Moblin names (and not just their titles) tend to match with what they are and -ix is added to represent males and -ox for females (only for Goblins;I don't know if there is something similar for Moblins), so I wouldn't be surprised if Megomak is supposed to mean megalomaniac:
Bloodthirster Madkix: Mad: He's obviously crazy
Climbpix Highrise: Climb: He climbs
Doglix Muttsnout: Dog: He looks like a dog maybe?
Goblinsaviour Heronox: Hero: She's obviously a saviour/hero
Book Browser Bokabraq/Chemical Cook Chemachiq/Dread Dealing Dredodak/Grimoire Guru Grimogek/Spell Spitter Spiluspok: Yeah...
Twilotak: Believed to be the reincarnation of the Twilight God

Maybe something similar goes for other beastmen, I know there's Dragonscaled Bugaal Ja who has pet bugards.

[Sagacious Sundi]

I hate double-posting but another storyline question:
Where is Tu'Lia supposed to be located? In its location above the Shu'Meyo on the Conquest/region map (is that where Al'Taieu used to be? or was it a good chunk of Qufim that made it that crescent shape like someone said?), or is that just there so that it doesn't overlap with something? I don't recall a cutscene making this clear...

[Murataki]

Directly above the Delkfutt's Tower, I believe. When the Stellar Fulcrum is activated, the Shadow Lord's channeled energy was sent straight up to the bottom of Tu'Lia.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Directly above the Delkfutt's Tower, I believe. When the Stellar Fulcrum is activated, the Shadow Lord's channeled energy was sent straight up to the bottom of Tu'Lia.

Oh, I think I remember that now. Which gets me into more questions, what was the Shadow Lord's purpose for the Zilart? I remember getting rather confused in the ZM cutscenes that explained the SL's purpose (for the Zilart, not for the Dark Divinity or whatever). (I probably have screenshots of important dialogue/good cutscenes somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for them.)

[Murataki]

Directly above the Delkfutt's Tower, I believe. When the Stellar Fulcrum is activated, the Shadow Lord's channeled energy was sent straight up to the bottom of Tu'Lia.

Oh, I think I remember that now. Which gets me into more questions, what was the Shadow Lord's purpose for the Zilart? I remember getting rather confused in the ZM cutscenes that explained the SL's purpose (for the Zilart, not for the Dark Divinity or whatever). (I probably have screenshots of important dialogue/good cutscenes somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for them.)

When he fell into the crevices at Xarcabard and Cornelia died, his own rage and the rage as the Talekeeper of the Galka apparently formed some sort of bond with the Dark Divinity. He syphoned dormant energy out of the Crystal Line and used it in conjunction with the Dark Divinity's power to form a body. This woke the Zilart up from their stasis in the tower. They realized that the energy that had been stolen would needed to be returned to the Fulcrum to re-activate Tu'Lia. Thus they orchestrated an allied movement to stop the Shadow Lord, hiding their true purpose of wanting to retrieve that power.

When you beat him, Kam'lanaut and Eald'narche bring the Ark Angels there to take his head. Later on, they use Verena's ability to commune with the beastmen to force the stored energy out of the Shadow Lord's head and back into the Fulcrum. This activated Tu'Lia again.

[Septimus]

Directly above the Delkfutt's Tower, I believe. When the Stellar Fulcrum is activated, the Shadow Lord's channeled energy was sent straight up to the bottom of Tu'Lia.

Oh, I think I remember that now. Which gets me into more questions, what was the Shadow Lord's purpose for the Zilart? I remember getting rather confused in the ZM cutscenes that explained the SL's purpose (for the Zilart, not for the Dark Divinity or whatever). (I probably have screenshots of important dialogue/good cutscenes somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for them.)

When he fell into the crevices at Xarcabard and Cornelia died, his own rage and the rage as the Talekeeper of the Galka apparently formed some sort of bond with the Dark Divinity. He syphoned dormant energy out of the Crystal Line and used it in conjunction with the Dark Divinity's power to form a body. This woke the Zilart up from their stasis in the tower. They realized that the energy that had been stolen would needed to be returned to the Fulcrum to re-activate Tu'Lia. Thus they orchestrated an allied movement to stop the Shadow Lord, hiding their true purpose of wanting to retrieve that power.

When you beat him, Kam'lanaut and Eald'narche bring the Ark Angels there to take his head. Later on, they use Verena's ability to commune with the beastmen to force the stored energy out of the Shadow Lord's head and back into the Fulcrum. This activated Tu'Lia again.

I remember something about the Talekeeper holding latent memories that go all the way back to the Zilart. It has been a while though. I really need to so these missions for Atum.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Sorry, but another question (meant to put it in previous post). I heard the Spiral Hell quest tells you that dark stalkers/Shadows are Elvaan who drink some potion that gradually makes you undead or something. Is this true? None of my main jobs can even do the quest, so I wouldn't know.

[Murataki]

Sorry, but another question (meant to put it in previous post). I heard the Spiral Hell quest tells you that dark stalkers/Shadows are Elvaan who drink some potion that gradually makes you undead or something. Is this true? None of my main jobs can even do the quest, so I wouldn't know.

Odd, since the WHM AF quests explain that Shadows are pissed off remnants of dead Elvaans. They're led by the ghost of Altedour I. Tavnazia, the former king of Tavnazia.

[Thistle]

Sorry, but another question (meant to put it in previous post). I heard the Spiral Hell quest tells you that dark stalkers/Shadows are Elvaan who drink some potion that gradually makes you undead or something. Is this true? None of my main jobs can even do the quest, so I wouldn't know.

The Spiral Hell quest is one of my favorite storylines in the game. Text from the last CS, explaining about the elves, drink, all that. Spoiler, of course. If you have a chance of doing the quest instead of reading it this way, do it.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Thanks for that, Thistlechaser. :D

almost certain that there'll be at least a few more new mobs in this update..

they seem to do things with equivalents for the 3 beastmen forces and their regions

Undead : Trolls : Mamool
Khimaira : Cerberus : Hydra (hnm)
Soulflayer : Wamoura : Poroggo (true-something scary mob)
?? : turtlesaur : ??

just guessing turtlesaur belongs to trolls cos he looks like he comes from rocky dry terrain.

Late reply, but I think soulflayers/wamoura/Poroggos are all truesound (well, wamoura that spawn from wamouracampa are truesound, wamoura that spawn normally aren't), so maybe we're in store for some truesight mobs (soulflayers might be both, though), with this weird thingy being one of them (probably a Mamool Ja thingy, since they mostly use scaled creatures, whereas Trolls tend to use vermin and bombs).

EDIT: Should we be expecting another news update tomorrow (mostly concerning the version update)?

EDIT2: Here's another version of your Mamool | Troll | Undead thing:
Gulool Ja Ja | Gurfurlur | Medusa (Beastmen/Besieged Leaders/HNMs; Truesight; appear in their stronghold/region's respective dungeon area)
Hydra | Cerberus | Khimaira (HNMs; supposedly truesound; appear in that regions respective outdoor area)
Poroggos | Wamoura | Soulflayers (Mostly truesound nasties added in later updates)
Rhinotoise thingy | Something | Something (Truesight thingies added in later updates)
Mamool Ja Knights (Or maybe that thing is a Mamool Ja knight?) | Enhanced Trolls | Maybe... Prototype* Lamiae/Merrows? (Enhanced versions of that force's main beastmen races)

*Or is that what Lamie/Nix are? Well, they're chimeras that practice necromancy, tons of ideas can be thought up of.

[LD]

Sorry, but another question (meant to put it in previous post). I heard the Spiral Hell quest tells you that dark stalkers/Shadows are Elvaan who drink some potion that gradually makes you undead or something. Is this true? None of my main jobs can even do the quest, so I wouldn't know.

The Spiral Hell quest is one of my favorite storylines in the game. Text from the last CS, explaining about the elves, drink, all that. Spoiler, of course. If you have a chance of doing the quest instead of reading it this way, do it.

If that's the case, then it's just as he said; They do that to increase their numbers, original shadows are born in the manner seen in the WHM AF quests.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Sorry, but another question (meant to put it in previous post). I heard the Spiral Hell quest tells you that dark stalkers/Shadows are Elvaan who drink some potion that gradually makes you undead or something. Is this true? None of my main jobs can even do the quest, so I wouldn't know.

The Spiral Hell quest is one of my favorite storylines in the game. Text from the last CS, explaining about the elves, drink, all that. Spoiler, of course. If you have a chance of doing the quest instead of reading it this way, do it.

If that's the case, then it's just as he said; They do that to increase their numbers, original shadows are born in the manner seen in the WHM AF quests.

Makes sense to me.

EDIT: Don't WHM AF cutscenes call them "dark stalkers"? Maybe that's where the difference lies? Or it's just another name to call them that is just to add variety.