Besieged Adjustments 2/20/07

[Thistle]

All the updates to Besieged make me feel like Square Enix will never be satisfied until all servers are routinely losing the Astral Candescence.

But doesn't that make sense? On Midgar, we lose the Candysense once every... four? five? months. I love Besieged, and I miss the attacks when the Candysense is gone, but should we win all the time?

I suspect there will be level 10 Besiegeds when all is said and done (6/7 are very odd numbers to be the highest level), and we will lose the Candysense for sure when the attacks get that high.

I think the Sanction benefits and Runic Portals were probably initially meant as exceptional rewards and not the norm, but the fact is that having these things around has become the standard situation on every server now. Winning Besieged therefore does not seem very rewarding to the average player.

Perhaps it is a bad thing that we take the bonuses for granted now, but it still makes implementing measures to make Besieged longer and harder feel like a form of punishment. Having to work even harder to retain what has become the status quo doesn't really come across as an added incentive for bothering to step outside of the Mog House.

I agree with you on all points, and have no idea how one would go about fixing this. The sanction benefits and portals are a great reward, but people (me included) do take them for granted -- we're used to them, we "deserve" them, we damned well want them at all times. But they are a reward though...

So I don't know. Is it S-E's fault for not making it level 10 tough from the beginning? Is it the fault of our cultural mindset? (Is it a NA only thing or would JP/other folks throw a bitchkitty over not having them 24/7?)

I sometimes feel bad for S-E, times like this seem no-win for them.

[Kimiko]

I believe Besieged should end in one hour max. If SE wants a challenge, there should be a time limit on Besieged. Its either 60 min or the AC is lost. The IS reward shouldn't be raised. 1k IS is the approximate amount a person will usually get in a super burn PT where each member is fully merited and with good gear and skill to back up the gear. Probably 95% of all population doesn't have good gear or the skill to back it up. The best I've been in has been 8k/hr PTs and I know I don't have good gear.

Sure, overall XP'ing in most TAU camps is going to net better results in terms of IS, but that doesn't lessen the importantce of a quick 1k IS pop from Besieged.

Also... 8k/hour with maxed gear and merits, I find that difficult to believe that's the best that you can do. Give me a good camp with 6 pimped out characters, and you'll see 20k/hour.

[Sho]

100% Exp -> IS Conversion is the best reason to go to the silly thing; lag, or no lag.

[threevo]

Beseiged has been saving PLDs from level 74 Since it was implemented. Plus my mule which i dont really XP on needs the IS to warp to cerb and khimaira ;3

[Sylvrdragon]

Two words:

Skill up.

Besieged wins. (Except for those evasive ass Mamool Ja assholes... they can burn in hell)

[Scythiroth]

100% Exp -> IS Conversion is the best reason to go to the silly thing; lag, or no lag.

That's the reason I do it mostly, or trying to cap my few weapons that are uncapped. ._.

[Popsiclestick]

Two words:

Skill up.

Besieged wins. (Except for those evasive ass Mamool Ja assholes... they can burn in hell)

It is VERY good . . . however, I avoid the Merrow like the plague...

[niisse]

Two words:

Skill up.

yeah can usually go up 2 levels of divine magic (woefully undercap) in one chainspell banish spam session before concentraing on healing random people and dia III general debuffing random other mobs. Plus I can take a revitalizer and do it again. mwahhahaha

Ill go if I happen to be in town and not about to do anything. maybe pick the job that needs a bit more buffer (as was mentioned that no one needs for exp) like BLM. The IS is a bonus, usually its more a laugh as random people in my shell use it to leach some exp on mid level (60 ish) DRGs and PLDs etc. AS long as I can see them and thier health bars its a way to pass the time.. but screw it if it starts taking forever...

You can kinda figure roughly how much actual work you need to put it be it damage or healing etc to get exp cap.. after I know Ive hit that I just afk in a corner. :wink:

[Ravenlokk]

Beseiged has been saving PLDs from level 74 Since it was implemented. Plus my mule which i dont really XP on needs the IS to warp to cerb and khimaira ;3

qft

[razorcat]

I believe Besieged should end in one hour max. If SE wants a challenge, there should be a time limit on Besieged. Its either 60 min or the AC is won. The IS reward shouldn't be raised. 1k IS is the approximate amount a person will usually get in a super burn PT where each member is fully merited and with good gear and skill to back up the gear. Probably 95% of all population doesn't have good gear or the skill to back it up. The best I've been in has been 8k/hr PTs and I know I don't have good gear.

If you can defend the AC for an hour without losing, then it should be a victory, not a defeat.

1) I would appreciate if you don't change what I wrote.
2) Most Besieged can be won by 45 min. Kill off all the monsters quickly and leave the NMs till last. Those on Valefor that last longer than 1 hr are because people decide that focusing on NMs are much more important and as a result lose general after general until people realize that the AC will be lost if they continue trying to kill the NMs

I believe Besieged should end in one hour max. If SE wants a challenge, there should be a time limit on Besieged. Its either 60 min or the AC is lost. The IS reward shouldn't be raised. 1k IS is the approximate amount a person will usually get in a super burn PT where each member is fully merited and with good gear and skill to back up the gear. Probably 95% of all population doesn't have good gear or the skill to back it up. The best I've been in has been 8k/hr PTs and I know I don't have good gear.

Sure, overall XP'ing in most TAU camps is going to net better results in terms of IS, but that doesn't lessen the importantce of a quick 1k IS pop from Besieged.

Also... 8k/hour with maxed gear and merits, I find that difficult to believe that's the best that you can do. Give me a good camp with 6 pimped out characters, and you'll see 20k/hour.

As I said, I don't have good gear and the jobs I merit in will never be merited unless SE changes the current weapon skill merits system. To me XP is XP. I will rarely comment on a lackluster xp/hr rate.

[dilbert]

Someone needs to port that axe to every race ASAP

[Thistle]

I can't say I've seen a besieged last more than 30 minutes on alexander in the past 2 weeks except the 1h undead one with under 300 in Zone.

If people are smart and ignore the NMs, they can be done fast and with minimal risk to the generals. Midgar has thrilling Besiegeds where there are 700 in the zone, 600 of them dying to the NMs and the rest of us trying to keep the generals alive while killing the normal mobs.

I've seen hour and a half long attacks, with 700 in the zone, all because people just can't ignore the NMs.

[Almalexia]

There should be some form of an option to allow you to defend the NPCs you want to though.

Well, figure, there are 5 sections of Al Zahbi:

Auction House: Delivery NPC/AH NPC
Chocobo Alley: ID NPC/Stables NPC
Mog House: Shihu-Warptaru/Suldiran (Imp wing NPC)
Uthalim Parade and Hall of Binding share the 4 market NPCs.

So that's 10 non-General NPCs, two per General section. You'll notice that if an NPC is captured, certain Besieged NPCs won't appear in these designated areas. Zafif (the magic scroll shopkeep) is captured more often than any other NPC on Sylph, simply because her Besieged "avatars" apper closer to the main gate in the Uthalim Parade, where they are killed easily without proper healing attention.

The strength of these NPCs depends on the Imperial defense, too.

[Sagacious Sundi]

The strength of these NPCs depends on the Imperial defense, too.

I didn't know that. I did know that it affects how many non-general NPCs and gates are present during Besieged. Thanks for an idea on how prisoners are captured, though. :D

Also, upon rereading this news, it seems as if new/unique monsters are going to replace old Besieged monsters except for beastman leaders since it says "level 7 units comprised of new monster types will be introduced for each beastman army." unless "comprised of" doesn't always mean 100% full of (plus it seems very unlikely unless the monsters are more about quality over quantity).

Also again, this might be the final level of Besieged since each level seems to have a new beastman Mega Boss that has a job that hasn't been used by other mega bosses yet for that beastman army. Although they could easily reuse jobs or do something like use Sahagin/Moblins/Qutrub/Poroggos/flan/soulflayers/imps/Fomors/Qiqirn/enhanced Trolls/something.

On a side-note, if this update lands on March 7 I'll be happy, since that's when new South Park episodes start.

[Senoska]

Not reading all 8 pages but:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8350/wtfisdatbk9.jpg

The rhino+turtle retard baby is rather funny looking.

[BRP]

When they say I believe they mean "items that 'attack' targets". For example, that one item that lowers TP.

Hmm, I hope these items find their way into PvP soon.


What they should do is have monsters(bosses) drop temporary items. Running out of items sucks and things would go more smoothly if players could keep using them.

[JMunin]

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8350/wtfisdatbk9.jpg

The rhino+turtle retard baby is rather funny looking.

Rhintle or turtno?

Which beastmen troop is it from and do the other two beastmen forces have misbred minions of their own?

[Spira]

almost certain that there'll be at least a few more new mobs in this update..

they seem to do things with equivalents for the 3 beastmen forces and their regions

Undead : Trolls : Mamool
Khimaira : Cerberus : Hydra (hnm)
Soulflayer : Wamoura : Poroggo (true-something scary mob)
?? : turtlesaur : ??

just guessing turtlesaur belongs to trolls cos he looks like he comes from rocky dry terrain.

[Thistle]

I've seen hour and a half long attacks, with 700 in the zone, all because people just can't ignore the NMs.

Case in point, tonight on Midgar. Level 6 undead. Attack lasted an hour and 17 minutes. Left with one general standing (didn't start with them all).

Almost an hour and a half, 600 people in the zone. ><

[fantasticdan]

almost certain that there'll be at least a few more new mobs in this update..

they seem to do things with equivalents for the 3 beastmen forces and their regions

Undead : Trolls : Mamool
Khimaira : Cerberus : Hydra (hnm)
Soulflayer : Wamoura : Poroggo (true-something scary mob)
?? : turtlesaur : ??

just guessing turtlesaur belongs to trolls cos he looks like he comes from rocky dry terrain.

Did they even add soulflayers to undead besieged? I've never seen them, and I don't think it would make any sense storywise. The dinosaur thing seems more likely to be with the mamool ja also.