Accounts Banned (Feb. 21)

[aurik]

So an above average gear MNK/??? cant possibly solo a Marid? with this conditions:
-No 2hr used
-No excessive use of items (read: wasting 100k+ on items)

Technically you can probably just run around and chi-blast them every 5 minutes, they run damn slow, thou that would take a few hours. Unless they have some sort of regen of coarse that I'm unaware of.

no regen

other day I was bored on blu running back from the waypoint, so I decided to zone a marid. I ended up cannonballing it to death on the way. (ok, with a few sleeps thrown in to get mp back up)

so yeah a monk could solo if they're bored enough

Monk can straight-up fight a marid, just need to save spinning attack for chigoe and pack on the subtle blow gear.

[aurik]

Unique to MNK soloing. Has less of an impact, if any, on the ability of other jobs (on the list) to solo the same mob.

Granted, there'll be some mobs that no one can solo, and that's nothing new. But there's going to be several mobs that a MNK isn't going to solo all that well, whereas other jobs will be able to. There won't be many mobs that a MNK can solo, but other jobs can't.

I think you're reading a little too much into it. I never said MNK can't solo shit, just that other jobs have an easier time soloing a wider variety of mobs and levels, whereas the jobs on the "can't solo well" list are more limited in what they can comfortably kill.

And I'm telling you you're pretty much totally wrong. Monk is nearly as survivable as ninja solo, especially if you merit invigorate for a 500+hp chakra.

[phirien]

Unique to MNK soloing. Has less of an impact, if any, on the ability of other jobs (on the list) to solo the same mob.

Granted, there'll be some mobs that no one can solo, and that's nothing new. But there's going to be several mobs that a MNK isn't going to solo all that well, whereas other jobs will be able to. There won't be many mobs that a MNK can solo, but other jobs can't.

I think you're reading a little too much into it. I never said MNK can't solo shit, just that other jobs have an easier time soloing a wider variety of mobs and levels, whereas the jobs on the "can't solo well" list are more limited in what they can comfortably kill.

And I'm telling you you're pretty much totally wrong. Monk is nearly as survivable as ninja solo, especially if you merit invigorate for a 500+hp chakra.

i think its largely dependant on the type of mob.

kinda like how a BST can solo some NMs easily where a RDM might struggle and vica versa.

that said, MNK's solo ability is very underrated

[fantasticdan]

Monk can straight-up fight a marid, just need to save spinning attack for chigoe and pack on the subtle blow gear.

I don't see it being very doable by the average well geared monk without outside help or buffs. I'm sure it's possible to do, but with any reliability? No way. Keep in mind it's TP moves are mostly two fold(or that dispel move will just take all your shadows), so even if you have 1 shadow up, you're going to be hit for a pretty decent amount, ontop of it spawning a chigoe at the same time. Their regular hits also hit me very hard as a blu with cocoon, I can't imagine how they'd hit a counterstanced monk trying to get shadows back up.

[divisortheory]

When someone who for example has a piece of information in front of them saying "this ban is for windower" and has no reason to lie, then tells you, um, yes I do. Or maybe the support guy lied and he was banned for being French?

It's probably not the guy on the phone who lied. It's your friend who probably lied. Here's how I know.

[aurik]

Monk can straight-up fight a marid, just need to save spinning attack for chigoe and pack on the subtle blow gear.

I don't see it being very doable by the average well geared monk without outside help or buffs. I'm sure it's possible to do, but with any reliability? No way. Keep in mind it's TP moves are mostly two fold(or that dispel move will just take all your shadows), so even if you have 1 shadow up, you're going to be hit for a pretty decent amount, ontop of it spawning a chigoe at the same time. Their regular hits also hit me very hard as a blu with cocoon, I can't imagine how they'd hit a counterstanced monk trying to get shadows back up.

Even tough mobs don't get more than 2-3 TP moves before dying 1v1 versus a mnk. With a relatively standard soloing kit, the mnk will actually out-TP the mob he is fighting. Against non-merit-class mobs, he will also be doing 80+ dmg per hand. This leads to extremely high damage-to-TP efficiency.

Also recall mnk has B+ evasion and access to a ton of haste and evasion gear. A top-geared monk will hit the 25% equip haste cap using only 4 equipment slots. Add to this 1500+HP, dodge, counter, chakra for 500HP...

[Tjonke]

I have fought Aura Statues in Ulli Aery as BRD/NIN with my trusty Terra Staff just to prove that it can be done solo. Sure the battle took close to 45min / fight but it is doable.

And yeah to the person saying that any job can kill EM-T as /BST!. Love doing that on basicly any job.

[Luke]

Nerf monks! sorry had to

[Freight]

I'm with Aurik, with the capped Utsusemi Recast, regular evasion gear, and all the JA available to monk it's not crazy to think they can solo just as well as a NIN. That 4th shadow is just too nice

[Khamsin]

Unique to MNK soloing. Has less of an impact, if any, on the ability of other jobs (on the list) to solo the same mob.

Granted, there'll be some mobs that no one can solo, and that's nothing new. But there's going to be several mobs that a MNK isn't going to solo all that well, whereas other jobs will be able to. There won't be many mobs that a MNK can solo, but other jobs can't.

I think you're reading a little too much into it. I never said MNK can't solo shit, just that other jobs have an easier time soloing a wider variety of mobs and levels, whereas the jobs on the "can't solo well" list are more limited in what they can comfortably kill.

And I'm telling you you're pretty much totally wrong. Monk is nearly as survivable as ninja solo, especially if you merit invigorate for a 500+hp chakra.

Only reason I included NIN was because they can sub WHM for -na spells, Erase, etc. And I agree that MNK is perfectly capable of killing a lot of things solo. I'm not saying they are weak or incapable. I'm just referring to the wide variety of mobs in Vana'diel, including things that paralyze, blind, bind, -ga, strip/go through shadows, amnesia, slow, or spam TP moves despite subtle blow (e.g. Puks and Erucas at times). While I suppose a MNK could carry potions, remedies and panacaeas, I wasn't considering item reliance short of maybe echo drops.

[aurik]

Unique to MNK soloing. Has less of an impact, if any, on the ability of other jobs (on the list) to solo the same mob.

Granted, there'll be some mobs that no one can solo, and that's nothing new. But there's going to be several mobs that a MNK isn't going to solo all that well, whereas other jobs will be able to. There won't be many mobs that a MNK can solo, but other jobs can't.

I think you're reading a little too much into it. I never said MNK can't solo shit, just that other jobs have an easier time soloing a wider variety of mobs and levels, whereas the jobs on the "can't solo well" list are more limited in what they can comfortably kill.

And I'm telling you you're pretty much totally wrong. Monk is nearly as survivable as ninja solo, especially if you merit invigorate for a 500+hp chakra.

Only reason I included NIN was because they can sub WHM for -na spells, Erase, etc. And I agree that MNK is perfectly capable of killing a lot of things solo. I'm not saying they are weak or incapable. I'm just referring to the wide variety of mobs in Vana'diel, including things that paralyze, blind, bind, -ga, strip/go through shadows, amnesia, slow, or spam TP moves despite subtle blow (e.g. Puks and Erucas at times). While I suppose a MNK could carry potions, remedies and panacaeas, I wasn't considering item reliance short of maybe echo drops.

Nobody cares about blind or bind, for spells monk has a natural stun weaponskill (and interrupts plenty regardless). Ninja's no better off than monk when it comes to AoE dmg + strip TP moves -- actually they're worse off because they don't have 1500+ HP and have way worse dmg:tp efficiency. Amnesia isn't a big problem for mnk either. Remedy ointments are cheap as shit to make -- I always carry a stack when I'm doing stuff on monk where I don't have a whm to back me up.

The biggest advantage ninja has that you mentioned is the ability to self-erase slow. Vital for soloing crawlers, spiders and diremites, I guess? But then, every job has its ups and downs: you don't often see black mages soloing perytons / hounds, and you won't see a bst soloing very effectively in hu'xzoi / ru'hmet.

For a class which "isn't good at solo", mnk can still solo serket, alkyoneus, and pre-rage-patch behemoth (though I'd love to give post-rage-patch behemoth a try someday to see if I can beat the clock). Also can do all the beastmen RNMs without a problem, and can solo as high as deco.weapons (78+) and eo'zdeis (76-78), though that's getting close to the edge of our ability.

[Vixy]

All jobs can solo even matches or above fairly easily w/ chr gear and bst sub as long as bst main is 75. (and as long as you aren't in some place like sea without charmable enemies) On a semi-tangent, pld/bst works better than bst/whm solo 70-75. (verm/parade gorget/auto-refresh/sanction for 4mp/tic refresh)

Off-topic, but what level can PLD start doing bombs?

[Khamsin]

Well, perhaps I worded it poorly, I'm sorry.

Was just meant to be a rough list of the jobs I thought were the most self-reliant and well-rounded (given an appropriate sub), with the least exceptions as to what they couldn't solo.

I'm not a MNK, so obviously you know more about their capabilities than I.

But, as they may say on Alla, opinions can't be wrong! Right?!

[aurik]

Well, perhaps I worded it poorly, I'm sorry.

Was just meant to be a rough list of the jobs I thought were the most self-reliant and well-rounded (given an appropriate sub), with the least exceptions as to what they couldn't solo.

I'm not a MNK, so obviously you know more about their capabilities than I.

Your misconception is thinking that monk solos things remotely similar to how a war solos (with their face). Mnks have way way better solo capability than war.

[Lordender]

jesus is this derailed.

anyways find it funny SE can send people rice cakes to their mog houses but still can't manage to ban ulli aery rmt's.

[divisortheory]

jesus is this derailed.

anyways find it funny SE can send people rice cakes to their mog houses but still can't manage to ban ulli aery rmt's.

ironically since 3-4 days ago I've been to Ulli twiec and never saw a single RMT

[Lordender]

ironically since 3-4 days ago I've been to Ulli twiec and never saw a single RMT

they havent left ulli even during chinese new year they left crews of 12 there but we managed to steal their ulli they claimed last night, fuck rmt for real.

[Kuya]

jesus is this derailed.

anyways find it funny SE can send people rice cakes to their mog houses but still can't manage to ban ulli aery rmt's.

... rice cakes... and banning.. RMT...

wut?

[Furtwangler]

anyways find it funny SE can send people rice cakes to their mog houses but still can't manage to ban ulli aery rmt's.

I didnt get any rice cakes =/

[Ryany]

All jobs can solo even matches or above fairly easily w/ chr gear and bst sub as long as bst main is 75. (and as long as you aren't in some place like sea without charmable enemies) On a semi-tangent, pld/bst works better than bst/whm solo 70-75. (verm/parade gorget/auto-refresh/sanction for 4mp/tic refresh)

Off-topic, but what level can PLD start doing bombs?

I never did them on pld/bst. I did them on bst/whm something like 61-64 or so. I didn't start pld/bst until 70 due to that being the level when you can release your pet. (70 also seems to be around the level where all the good pts won't take a pld) I did 70-72 on against those big undead blobs in Caedarva at that pond with those sheep around it. I went 73-75 in sky w/ flamingos vs. pots. (no sanction, but no parties mpking you by pulling your future pet mid-fight) It is also one of the safest camps by the side Ru'Avitau entrances since flamingos don't aggro or link and you have a zone nearby.