When beating your kids isn't enough. . .

[Devek]

That's pretty sad, I admit I usually blame parents for fucked up kids but I guess it isn't that easy. Especially when you try so hard and do everything right, theres still a chance the kid will be fucked up and there will be nothing you can do about it. Probably the most crushing feeling I could imagine.

I think there's an age where what you say no longer has any meaning of effect on a kid, I'm willing to bet that after 10 or 12 or something nothing you do can majorly change how the kid feels and how they act.

So get your ideals and schooling in early, before it's too late...

I think that age is younger than 10 or 12. I think parents have a lot less impact we all think.

I think people that want to blame it on video games are no different than people who blame the parents. A bunch of people who don't believe in personal responsibility, and people that don't believe in personal responsibility are usually criminals. Go ask any person in prison and they will tell you "Wasn't my fault!" or something along those lines, oh unless they are up for parole than they are really good at saying what they are supposed to. Fucking criminals.

I love discussing issues like this people.. it is a great way to find out how much you can trust them. People that don't believe in personal responsibility are criminals and you should be careful around them.. The only reason they are not in prison is because they are smart enough to not get caught and properly consider risk vs. reward. Put them in a situation where they can fuck you without consequences and only benefits and they will go for it almost every time.

There are exceptions to everything(like people with brain defects), so don't use one rare isolated case to argue against this please

[Kuya]

some people just fucked up from birth

But if this is indeed true, then such a person would be blameless of being a killer, because its in his "genes" he can't do anything about it, and therefore kills agaisn't his will.

And Devek, i do to some extent believe in pesonal responsability, but i just dont believe anybody is ever born a criminal, or ever decides that killing is A-OK. Maybe if they thought they could get away with it, you could argue that, but you gotta find out the reasons for why they did it. Was it because they are mentally ill? Temporary lapse in judgement led them to let emotions take the better of them? Simply raised badly enough to not recognize the meaning of personal responsability and cause and effect?

I just dont think anybody just choses to murder somebody for the sheer idea of killing somebody, unless they dont understand wha they're doing is wrong, somehow enjoy it, lost rational for a moment.

[Devek]

some people just fucked up from birth

But if this is indeed true, then such a person would be blameless of being a killer, because its in his "genes" he can't do anything about it, and therefore kills agaisn't his will.

It isn't about blame..

Either person is dangerous to society and belongs in prison or they are not.

If you don't want to go to prison, don't kill people.

[Kuya]

some people just fucked up from birth

But if this is indeed true, then such a person would be blameless of being a killer, because its in his "genes" he can't do anything about it, and therefore kills agaisn't his will.

It isn't about blame..

Either person is dangerous to society and belongs in prison or they are not.

If you don't want to go to prison, don't kill people.

Of course they deserve punishment, but theres a point where you gotta ask yourself. Whats the point of prison? To punish? To fix? If you belive its for punishment, well then thats a bit difficult. A lot of tax payer dollars go into keeping these people alive, but what other option is there? Killing them all? I doubt we're that barbaric.

Either way prison is like a bandaid wound for a bullet bound, wont fix the problem at all.

[Stilgar]

People that have lapses in judgment on the order of committing murder for the hell of it to me represent a trait that is undesirable in humanity. They aren't going to be rehabilitated. They shouldn't be allowed to breed, then. They're like animals, inhuman.


For what they've done, they have to be punished. Prison time for people who will never leave the place is a huge waste of resources, so I say kill them.

[Devek]

Prison isn't to punish, it is to keep them away from us so they don't kill us.

If there is a way to "treat" or "fix" criminals and you know you could make billions fixing the worlds population. It isn't that we don't care there just isn't anything we can do besides to lock people up so they can't kill people at will.

[Demosthenes]

I'm going to move to a country where i can beat the shit out of my kids and raise them with an iron fist.

[Tomiko]

I swear if my kid ever acts like this and I've done everything these parents ::edit:: did ::edit::, I'm just going to put a bar of soap in a sock and show them who's boss. And then keep them in line with the beatin-erm punishment that Maddox purposes.

Seriousness aside, I hope his name turns to Tinkerbell when he's in jail, named by Big Nick Digger.

QFT

He needed a good ass-whoopin' to set him straight.

Your idea made me think of Homey Da Clown when I read it lol

[Beckwin]

Some people are just bad people, no excuses. The kid is old enough to be self aware and conscious of his actions. He knows the difference between life and death, and is at least familiar with the concepts of right and wrong. He probably didn't have a picnics-on-the-beach childhood, but when the kid is 6'3" and 200 lbs at age 14, there is a physical limit on what his parents can enforce. "Go to your room" stops working when a kid is big enough to break down doors and push whoever is in his way to get out.

I'm not a supporter of harsh corporal punishment (and I really hope that most of you saying "hurr hurr I'll beat the living shit out of my kid" are joking), but if you see your kid exhibiting behavior thats extremely fucked up, you need to take some drastic measures.

[Ziegus]

Eye for an eye, who's with me?

That sounds plenty good with me. On 4chan right now there's a semi raid of people posting (don't read if you don't want to imagine it) mutilating cats and shit. Like the pic of the chinese woman and the kitten. Those people need what's coming to them. I can't even imagine what I'd do if I saw a person like that irl.

[Ace-o-fire]

Eye for an eye, who's with me?

That sounds plenty good with me. On 4chan right now there's a semi raid of people posting (don't read if you don't want to imagine it) mutilating cats and shit. Like the pic of the chinese woman and the kitten. Those people need what's coming to them. I can't even imagine what I'd do if I saw a person like that irl.

"High Five!"
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[Vannis]

I woulda given that kid way more than 15 years. I watched the video they have of him explaining himself and its just sick. The moment a kid starts getting way outa line, beat their ass til they're straight in the head.

[gandorf]

The Us would never kill all the prisoners. We have trouble giving death penalty now. This Country is full of bleeding hearts thats a good and bad thing.

[Devek]

Lol.. being against the dealth penalty doesn't mean you have a bleeding heart.

Some people are against the death penalty because there is no way to know for certain that someone is guilty.

I don't mind the risk of putting an innocent person behind bars occasionally.. but the risk of occasionally killing an innocent person far outweighs the benefits of killing the guilty.

[SassiAsura]

He's probably bitter because his mommy and daddy don't love each other anymore and he's a burden to them.

Prison is too kind for this kid. He should have been sent to a psych ward, pumped full of mind numbing meds (so everything becomes lucid), beaten up for bad behavior... which is most likely going to happen. His cries for attention will be completely ignored.

[Elcura]

Well, I do think it helps to teach a kid about responsibility, let him know about actions and consequences. I bet a lot of parents don't actively try to reward or praise their kid when they do something good, a lot of it is attention seeking at a young age and when they can't get attention for being good they'll certainly get it for being bad - and they know this. I just think after a certain age it becomes impossible to turn your kid around and it's tough if you did everything "right" and your kid is still fucked up.

Influences shape and create the kinda person you are and a parent's influence is not absolute, friends, TV, music and even games influence a kid. You just gotta pray your kid isn't stupid enough to do something they will regret...

Also I don't believe for 1 second that genes automatically determined how people are, monsters and killers aren't born, they're created in a way, kinda like how I said above.

[gandorf]

He is fucked for life. When he gets out he will be over 30 and not have much of an Education. Taco-bell prob would not even hire him. His family prob wont want to have anything to do with him either.He will most likely become a serial killer. Best thing he could possibly do for himself is find god and try to become smart while he is there or smash his head into wall.

[Misterjingles]

Well, I do think it helps to teach a kid about responsibility, let him know about actions and consequences. I bet a lot of parents don't actively try to reward or praise their kid when they do something good, a lot of it is attention seeking at a young age and when they can't get attention for being good they'll certainly get it for being bad - and they know this. I just think after a certain age it becomes impossible to turn your kid around and it's tough if you did everything "right" and your kid is still fucked up.

Influences shape and create the kinda person you are and a parent's influence is not absolute, friends, TV, music and even games influence a kid. You just gotta pray your kid isn't stupid enough to do something they will regret...

Also I don't believe for 1 second that genes automatically determined how people are, monsters and killers aren't born, they're created in a way, kinda like how I said above.

The only problem is that the "stepmother" and parents done everything they possibly can (save beating his face in), she even said that he has a brother that was raised with the same influences and turned out into a good person.

::edit:: Uhhhhh rank up, eh hydra?

[Alvinho]

Needs more corporal punishment.

[Elcura]

Well, I do think it helps to teach a kid about responsibility, let him know about actions and consequences. I bet a lot of parents don't actively try to reward or praise their kid when they do something good, a lot of it is attention seeking at a young age and when they can't get attention for being good they'll certainly get it for being bad - and they know this. I just think after a certain age it becomes impossible to turn your kid around and it's tough if you did everything "right" and your kid is still fucked up.

Influences shape and create the kinda person you are and a parent's influence is not absolute, friends, TV, music and even games influence a kid. You just gotta pray your kid isn't stupid enough to do something they will regret...

Also I don't believe for 1 second that genes automatically determined how people are, monsters and killers aren't born, they're created in a way, kinda like how I said above.

The only problem is that the "stepmother" and parents done everything they possibly can (save beating his face in), she even said that he has a brother that was raised with the same influences and turned out into a good person.

::edit:: Uhhhhh rank up, eh hydra?

obviously he didn't have exactly the same influences, unless they both did the same stuff and hung out with the same people. Friends and people you're around are a pretty big influence. They can easily change what you like, how you think and how you act.