Another lolsony topic

[Mysterio]

I'm looking forward to Oblivion on March 13th, Armored Core on MArch 20th, and MGS and Assassin's Creed in the fall of '07.

In my opinion it'll have some good games come summer and fall.

[Tekki]

Blu-Ray is the HD format of the future. The war is already over, Sony has 6 out of 7 major film studios on their side, a larger installed base, a base that is growing faster than HD-DVD, better quality, greater lasting potential, a similar pricing level, etc. If you want to watch HD movies 2-3 years from now, buy a PS3 - the quality is just as good as a standalone player (unlike the purchaseable 360 HD-DVD player which blows compared to a standalone unit.)

"Exclusives" are going to become a thing of the past outside of home-grown titles because the costs of game development are rising. In addition, so many new developers are signing on to the 360 is because it's actually a viable console, unlike XBOX. Their decision has absolutely nothing to do with Sony's perceived "lack of success" in the long-run - they decide whether to release on 360 based on whether they'll make money or not. Anyone cheerleading that decision as a sign of Sony's perceived "downfall" is illogical and stupid. Microsoft can pay an assload of bribe money to keep certain titles XBOX-onry but they're just wasting money when most developers are going cross-platform and most households will purchase 2-3 next-gen systems.

In 2+ years this will all be academic since we'll all either own PS3's or we'll own Blu-Ray players, and Sony will be making as much money as ever. "Console fanboyism" is one of the stupidest and most hilarious behaviors I've seen on the net, perpetrated by people who have no education in or understanding of business administration (and massive insecurity complexes about their video games.)

This isn't VHS vers Beta all over again. This next gen format war won't follow the same footsteps. The biggest flaw in assuming one will beat another is the fact that only a small percentage of the world population can even take advantage of these new formats. Off the top of my head, isnt only 30% TV owners HD? And out of that 30% how many think they need a new HD format. This next gen format war will come down to the customer and choice. You can't push products on customers that won't buy it if they don't need it. Their is no clear winner yet on this format war and even your own "Sony owns 6 out of major movie" argument can be countered by their very own Betamax adventure where superior product lost to their retarded marketing mistakes.

[Ikith]

if this doesnt deserve a thread why you post in it ?


noob

That makes as much sense as Sony saying their PS3's are flying off the shelves.

I'll give you $1000 if you find a PS3 in the stores!

Really? Uhm... tomorrow I will goto my best buy and take a picture of the 10 they have in stock right when you walk in they are on display!

[Xavier]

Just like Sony my statement came with some fine print, which read: "Not liable for anything I say"

[Xavier]

well a PS3 is about 400 dollars cheaper than a stand alone blue-ray player, so if you've got your hearts et on a blue-ray player then thats a no-brainer buy.

But that whole Blue-Ray vs HD-DVD is still up in the air, only one will survive, lol.

That being said if you're buying the PS3 just for the player for sake of upgrading, it might be too preemptive, lol

I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure the Blu-Ray player in the PS3 is fairly shitty compared to the high-end players on the market? If you purely care about movies isn't spending a few more hundred dollars for a superior player better?

[SephYuyX]

I don't think either FF13 or MGS4 will show up on any other consoles, simply because both games are already pretty far along into development, plus the fact that these games are going to move consoles to the point where any advantage the 360 has in terms of consoles out there will be erased when they come out.

That said, I don't relish shelling out $600 (or whatever the PS3 is then) just for 2 games...

They are using the second side of the Blue-Ray disk for MGs4, and Hideo Kojima said he wanted to use all 55 gigs or whatever the storage was.

So unless 360 poops our a blue-ray player it won't be the same, lol

You do realize that 360 has a HDDVD player, right? and you do realize that an HDDVD disk is almost the same capacity as Bluray, right? And the only difference btwn DVD, HDVD and Bluray is how much data they can hold, right?

[Semitry]

They are using the second side of the Blue-Ray disk for MGs4, and Hideo Kojima said he wanted to use all 55 gigs or whatever the storage was.

So unless 360 poops our a blue-ray player it won't be the same, lol

FF13 is mega million production, and it'll raise the bar as far as gaming experience goes.

Kojima also said:

GP: Is MGS4 still planned as an exclusive PS3 game? Do you have any interest in Xbox 360 development?

Kojima: Well, yes, I do have strong interest in creating something for the Xbox 360. In the US and Europe, it is selling, and I think it will sell a lot this year as well. I'm a fan of Gears of War as well, it's very interesting.

Frankly speaking, I want to create something on the PC. It's a multi-platform [format]. I've been regularly studying work on the PC anyways, and I want to provide something as a world-wide platform because of the consequences with timing on the PlayStation platforms, MGS4 is actually for the PS3 only so far.

and

GP: If you ever made an Xbox 360, would you find it difficult to work with because it uses a standard DVD?

Kojima: It's not necessarily challenging or difficult, it's just a matter of how we do it. It might be a couple of discs, or possibly a new form of dual-layer.

Also I'm pretty sure PS3 games in general use more data then 360 games. Worse compression algorithms, and redundant data to load up speed times makes bluray not all that much better then DVD9 on the 360.

[Jeryhn]

I don't understand this whole "format war" thing. How is there a war for format supremacy when the companies that manufacture the disc players are considering a solution by introducing hybrid players?

It seems to me that the "wave of the future" is going to be revolving around technology that can play multiple formats, not just one. This way the consumer wins out in the whole deal, where the makers od Blu-Ray and HD DVD don't seem to have the consumer in mind.

[Tekki]

BIZ: That actually leads into my next question, because a lot of the analysts have been making a big deal out of the fact that retailers seem to continue to sell out of the Wii while PS3s are found in stock at more stores. What do you make of that?

PH: I think you should talk to the people who are running those stores. Talk to the people who run GameStop, talk to the people who run BestBuy, and they'll tell you that the demand is unprecedented and that they give us kudos for managing to keep a very sophisticated supply chain moving. What our competitors are doing I can't speak to but I know we are achieving our goals of keeping the market supplied and working closely with retailers to make sure they get informed about when supplies are coming in so that they can match their internal and external communications to store managers and consumers about when to buy a PS3. If that means that for Wednesday through Friday there were a few machines on a shelf in a store in Milwaukee, great!

buddy of mine just sent me this.

lolPhill Harrison, fucking lawl

[izembo]

I don't think either FF13 or MGS4 will show up on any other consoles, simply because both games are already pretty far along into development, plus the fact that these games are going to move consoles to the point where any advantage the 360 has in terms of consoles out there will be erased when they come out.

That said, I don't relish shelling out $600 (or whatever the PS3 is then) just for 2 games...

They are using the second side of the Blue-Ray disk for MGs4, and Hideo Kojima said he wanted to use all 55 gigs or whatever the storage was.

So unless 360 poops our a blue-ray player it won't be the same, lol

You do realize that 360 has a HDDVD player, right? and you do realize that an HDDVD disk is almost the same capacity as Bluray, right? And the only difference btwn DVD, HDVD and Bluray is how much data they can hold, right?

which costs an additional $200 thus putting it at the same price as the ps3. thus making the 360 inferior yet again, also hd-dvd only gets close to size on bluray when its dual layered.

[Ace-o-fire]

BIZ: That actually leads into my next question, because a lot of the analysts have been making a big deal out of the fact that retailers seem to continue to sell out of the Wii while PS3s are found in stock at more stores. What do you make of that?

PH: I think you should talk to the people who are running those stores. Talk to the people who run GameStop, talk to the people who run BestBuy, and they'll tell you that the demand is unprecedented and that they give us kudos for managing to keep a very sophisticated supply chain moving. What our competitors are doing I can't speak to but I know we are achieving our goals of keeping the market supplied and working closely with retailers to make sure they get informed about when supplies are coming in so that they can match their internal and external communications to store managers and consumers about when to buy a PS3. If that means that for Wednesday through Friday there were a few machines on a shelf in a store in Milwaukee, great!

buddy of mine just sent me this.

lolPhill Harrison, fucking lawl

alot of this is stores over ordering expecting to be a big amount of people who wish to get a ps3.

our local best buy ordered around 15 ps3 and in about 2 weeks only 10 sold. The hype dies down so theres not much sony can do if the stores are putting in orders for amounts they wont sell.

The ps3 is nice and all, but they are having a hard time trying to sell it. The amount of time and money it takes to make these games are something some developers aren't ready to invest in with the ps3 so early.

[Semitry]

I don't think either FF13 or MGS4 will show up on any other consoles, simply because both games are already pretty far along into development, plus the fact that these games are going to move consoles to the point where any advantage the 360 has in terms of consoles out there will be erased when they come out.

That said, I don't relish shelling out $600 (or whatever the PS3 is then) just for 2 games...

They are using the second side of the Blue-Ray disk for MGs4, and Hideo Kojima said he wanted to use all 55 gigs or whatever the storage was.

So unless 360 poops our a blue-ray player it won't be the same, lol

You do realize that 360 has a HDDVD player, right? and you do realize that an HDDVD disk is almost the same capacity as Bluray, right? And the only difference btwn DVD, HDVD and Bluray is how much data they can hold, right?

which costs an additional $200 thus putting it at the same price as the ps3. thus making the 360 inferior yet again, also hd-dvd only gets close to size on bluray when its dual layered.

Why is it inferior even at the same price point?

[izembo]

because bluray is better than hd-dvd.

[Xavier]

Judging by the PS2 sales, I don't get why Sony bothered to release the PS3 at all right now.

They could've easily waited another 6-8 months, had a really amazing lineup, and just stormed into the race with a gigantic production line and hype.

I mean, honestly, the PS2 is almost outselling the PS3 in some places, and I'm pretty sure Sony isn't losing any money on the PS2 sales anymore(?).

because bluray is better than hd-dvd.

the average consumer will never know the difference

whats supposed to happen next? When a gun gets fired on the movie the bullet actually kills me? I honestly don't feel like paying to go beyond HD as it stands now.

[izembo]

they do make a small profit on ps2's, yea.

i agree they wont know the difference for movies, the deal is though, the hd-dvd for 360 cant play games. so its limited to what the drive on the system can do.

[SephYuyX]

because bluray is better than hd-dvd.

Only because it holds a bit more data? Besides, in the end it wont matter anyway because all they will do is add more layers and will always be even with each other.

[izembo]

bluray can add more layers as well and always be greater...

[SephYuyX]

bluray can add more layers as well and always be greater...

Like I said, so will HDVD, its a dumb battle, they will always be equal in data capacity.

[izembo]

no, they wont, bluray will always be ahead.

[Xavier]

i agree they wont know the difference for movies, the deal is though, the hd-dvd for 360 cant play games. so its limited to what the drive on the system can do.

If you ever saw the movie "Thank You for Smoking", I'm going to whip out a line that sums up the impossible.

"Thank god we invented the _______ to fix that problem."

And thats starting to sound like a "no u r" argument above me.