homam for pld

[Jeryhn]

If you recall, your initial response to this list:

Homam Corazza - Body BLU/DRG/THF/DRK > PLD
Homam Cosciales - legs BLU/DRK/THF > DRG > PLD
Homam Gambrias - Feet THF/DRG > BLU/DRK > PLD
Homam Manopolas - Hands PLD/THF > DRK/DRG > BLU
Homam Zuccheto - Head BLU/DRK > DRG/THF > PLD

That list looks pretty dumb to me. It seems you belong to the type of LS that doesn't value PLDs at all and says stuck in the NIN tank mindset.

PLD last on legs? Please elaborate on how a THF, DRG or BLU benefits more on these than a PLD/NIN, or fuck, even a PLD/WAR? THF equal priority as PLD on Hands, and higher than DRK? Why aren't your thieves wearing Assassin Armlets?

[NynJa]

Why aren't your thieves wearing Assassin Armlets?

100-5%: /equip hands "Homam Gambieras"
5-0%: /equip hands "Assassin's Armlets"


if the list is dumb to you, then its dumb to you. However thats the list his linkshell decided on, who are you to judge how their linkshell opts to do things ??

If they're killing things that they claim, whats the problem ?

[Jeryhn]

Why aren't your thieves wearing Assassin Armlets?

100-5%: /equip hands "Homam Gambieras"
5-0%: /equip hands "Assassin's Armlets"


if the list is dumb to you, then its dumb to you.

It's dumb because it looks like the reason they're giving THFs priority on the gloves is for the +3 Enmity, which the Assassin Armlets not only have, but also have Treasure Hunter +1.

However thats the list his linkshell decided on, who are you to judge how their linkshell opts to do things ??

If they're killing things that they claim, whats the problem ?

Sorry, I thought the thread was about making judgments about loot distribution based solely on job priority.

[fantasticdan]

I would give body to thf and drg over blu and drk. For thf,drg, it is their best option really for basically full time use. Drk has access to all of those haubys, e-body is better anyway, not saying they shouldn't ever get homam body, but thf, drg benefit more IMO. For blu it's really just a glorified SH for TP gain, you wouldn't be casting spells in it.

IMO:

head: who cares
body: thf/drg > drk/blu > pld
hands: pld > thf > blu > drk/drg
legs: blu/pld > drk > thf > drg
feet: blu/drg/thf > pld/drk

To be honest if I could only have one piece of homam on blu it would have to be the boots, since blu really has no other good options for the slot at all otherwise.

I would agree that 3% fast cast isn't a huge improvement for any job, but combined with the 3% haste on the same gear they have a very nice reduction on recast timers. The effect is noticable to me when stacked with loq. earring.

[Kazen]

If you recall, your initial response to this list:

Homam Corazza - Body BLU/DRG/THF/DRK > PLD
Homam Cosciales - legs BLU/DRK/THF > DRG > PLD
Homam Gambrias - Feet THF/DRG > BLU/DRK > PLD
Homam Manopolas - Hands PLD/THF > DRK/DRG > BLU
Homam Zuccheto - Head BLU/DRK > DRG/THF > PLD

That list looks pretty dumb to me. It seems you belong to the type of LS that doesn't value PLDs at all and says stuck in the NIN tank mindset.

PLD last on legs? Please elaborate on how a THF, DRG or BLU benefits more on these than a PLD/NIN, or fuck, even a PLD/WAR? THF equal priority as PLD on Hands, and higher than DRK? Why aren't your thieves wearing Assassin Armlets?

I kinda have to agree lol.. pld last on everything doesnt make much sense. Not saying it has to be first for legs.. but dam, last lol.

[NynJa]

Why aren't your thieves wearing Assassin Armlets?

100-5%: /equip hands "Homam Gambieras"
5-0%: /equip hands "Assassin's Armlets"


if the list is dumb to you, then its dumb to you.

It's dumb because it looks like the reason they're giving THFs priority on the gloves is for the +3 Enmity, which the Assassin Armlets not only have, but also have Treasure Hunter +1.

the fuck ??
My Homam Gloves give Haste+3% and Accuracy+4. Perhaps they're different on Cerberus.

Sorry, I thought the thread was about making judgments about loot distribution based solely on job priority.

and yet the first post I made, about giving it to whoever you feel deserves it most, offered SOME advice...whereas yours is just "WTF THIS IS STUPID".

[Jeryhn]

the fuck ??
My Homam Gloves give Haste+3% and Accuracy+4. Perhaps they're different on Cerberus.

I didn't say those stats were not beneficial to a THF, but if you're so concerned about Haste on your hand slot, you could look at these until Homam.

Sorry, the combination of Haste and Enmity of a hand slot is too beneficial for a PLD to be wasting it on giving it to THFs. The same can be said for the Haste and Fast Cast on the legs benefitting a PLD/NIN over any other job. Flash is an important spell too y'know.

and yet the first post I made, about giving it to whoever you feel deserves it most, offered SOME advice...whereas yours is just "WTF THIS IS STUPID".

30 point font qualifies as advice? I'll be sure to keep that in mind. :wink:

Also: That list is still "WTF THIS IS STUPID".

[Keltiks]

Why aren't your thieves wearing Assassin Armlets?

100-5%: /equip hands "Homam Gambieras"
5-0%: /equip hands "Assassin's Armlets"


if the list is dumb to you, then its dumb to you. However thats the list his linkshell decided on, who are you to judge how their linkshell opts to do things ??

If they're killing things that they claim, whats the problem ?

Maybe its different on your server, but we wear Homam Gambieras on our feet.

[NynJa]

the fuck ??
My Homam Gloves give Haste+3% and Accuracy+4. Perhaps they're different on Cerberus.

I didn't say those stats were not beneficial to a THF, but if you're so concerned about Haste on your hand slot, you could look at these until Homam.

on my thief, I prefer to eat this instead of [urlhttp://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6037]this[/url]. But hey, thats just me.


in regards to pld/nin and haste gear:
Its been said that the cap to Haste in total is 50%, correct ?? Since were mainly discussing Cosciales here...
March March Haste(spell) is 35% right there.
Turban 5 = 40
H.Hands 3 = 43
H.Feet 3 = 46
Speed Belt = 52%, and you're over the cap.


Though turban makes pld lose out on Bahamut's Mask, which is a large sum of enmity, you'd still be at 47%, but if the difference between 47% and 50% is going to cause a drastic change in the outcome of a fight...well I dunno then lol.

[NynJa]

Why aren't your thieves wearing Assassin Armlets?

100-5%: /equip hands "Homam Gambieras"
5-0%: /equip hands "Assassin's Armlets"


if the list is dumb to you, then its dumb to you. However thats the list his linkshell decided on, who are you to judge how their linkshell opts to do things ??

If they're killing things that they claim, whats the problem ?

Maybe its different on your server, but we wear Homam Gambieras on our feet.

Touche good sir, touche.

I meant Manopolas.

[Jeryhn]

on my thief, I prefer to eat this instead of this. But hey, thats just me.

I don't see how +4 Accuracy in one slot is going to make the difference between needing to eat sushi over meat. (Assuming that is sushi, your link is broken). But hey, that's just me.

in regards to pld/nin and haste gear:
Its been said that the cap to Haste in total is 50%, correct ?? Since were mainly discussing Cosciales here...
March March Haste(spell) is 35% right there.
Turban 5 = 40
H.Hands 3 = 43
H.Feet 3 = 46
Speed Belt = 52%, and you're over the cap.

Though turban makes pld lose out on Bahamut's Mask, which is a large sum of enmity, you'd still be at 47%, but if the difference between 47% and 50% is going to cause a drastic change in the outcome of a fight...well I dunno then lol.

I'm not entirely sure if the cap on Recast reduction from Haste doesn't stack with Fast Cast bonuses. This could be something worth testing.

Also, good luck finding PLD/NINs who just happen to have Speed Belts. I thought RMT were a big thing on your server?

[Xavier]

the fuck ??
My Homam Gloves give Haste+3% and Accuracy+4.

It would seem to me that Dusk Gloves (+1 if you're a high roller, and then the THF argument gets even weaker) are +5 atk, +3% haste, +20 hp, while Homam Manopolas are 3% haste, +3 enmity, +20 hp/mp, +4 acc.

Correct me if I'm wrong the only thing you're gaining by wearing Homam over Dusk is 20 mp, 3 enmity, losing 5 attack and gaining 4 acc? I would assume that 4 accuracy is not a gigantic deal for a job with an A+ weapon and access to a lot of +acc gear, whereas atk has always been a big issue as far as I can remember.

The +3 enmity for trick is there I guess but I'm pretty sure there are much better hands to sneak/trick and WS in, whereas +3 enmity on haste hands is really good for PLD. You keep the +20 hp, and the +20 mp benefits a PLD and does nothing for a THF.

Just straight arguing the merits of the two jobs, I don't think THF comes anywhere close in a direct argument with PLD. Of course all of that is subject to how your LS handles drops, but what I said would seem to be straight logic.

in regards to pld/nin and haste gear:
Its been said that the cap to Haste in total is 50%, correct ?? Since were mainly discussing Cosciales here...
March March Haste(spell) is 35% right there.
Turban 5 = 40
H.Hands 3 = 43
H.Feet 3 = 46
Speed Belt = 52%, and you're over the cap.


Though turban makes pld lose out on Bahamut's Mask, which is a large sum of enmity, you'd still be at 47%, but if the difference between 47% and 50% is going to cause a drastic change in the outcome of a fight...well I dunno then lol.

Screw turban if you have double march / haste.

35% Base.
H. Hands 3 = 38
Swift Belt 4 = 42
H. Legs 3 (possibly 4 with fast cast?) = 45
H. Feet 3 = 48

I listed Swift Belt, because I don't have a Speedbelt, but obviously thats the difference in reaching cap and not there.

Frees up everything but Hands/Waist/Legs/Feet for straight enmity/damage reduction gear.

[Bardicrune]

I would assume that 4 accuracy is not a gigantic deal for a job with an A+ weapon and access to a lot of +acc gear, whereas atk has always been a big issue as far as I can remember.

Thief has A- in Dagger.

[Secksi]

Thf, sadly, have A- in dagger.

I'm not a pld, what are your other options for the hand slot?

Homam is best for both jobs obviously, and we're all looking to gear our own respective jobs. Everyone has their own ideas on what job should get what loot.

In my shell we're pretty much free lot on everything if you can use it except for af2 and a few select(rare) items. I think it's best this way, usually people pass for others who get most benefit. A couple of our plds had homam hands passed to them, and I recently got my Assassin's Armlets because a very generous person passed to me because he goes on other jobs usually.

Really it all depends on how your shell handles things.

[Kazen]

Still an A- is pretty high and most thf mains have merited dagger skill.

[chixxor]

That's not the lotting priority that we finally went with, but it was the only one that Elesirdur offered input on. The topic was discussed at length, in a thread on our website that was several pages long. We brought our concepts to the membership, they offered alternatives, it was batted around, and a final vote between the two best proposals went forward from there.

My point is not regarding the item distribution or the details of the list, but more to the insinuation that the Admins either weren't doing their job or that the needs of our PLD had been suppressed.

Yes, we do use PLD/NIN as appropriate. If anyone is curious about our actual lotting priority on these items, I'd be happy to share it.

[Dibond]

In my opinon, it becomes a question of what overall impact the improvent to the job yields for the shell.

Thf can meripo slightly faster. Also improves capability of giving tp to various dynamis mobs and hnms while maintaining minimal damage.

Pld/Nin can hold slightly more hate get shadows up slightly faster, meaning hnm fight goes more smoothly, or possible recovery where you might have lost the fight without the piece. Also chance that less people die at hnm fight and lose exp.

Personally I agree that items should be distributed on a participation basis rather than nessacerily on a job requirement basis. Arguing that homam hands or legs are better off in someone elses hands (pun not intended) for the shells sake seems kind of weak to me though.

[Kooldac]

Thf, sadly, have A- in dagger.

I'm not a pld, what are your other options for the hand slot?

AF2 hands are the best for enmity and dusk gloves would cover the haste. Homam just happens to have them both plus HP/MP and other small goodies. So yes, it is kinda our end all hands sorta speak.

[chixxor]

I agree that in most cases a point-based (participation) lotting system is the best way to go about things. However, due to the nature of our LS orgins, that wasn't the system we went with. There are pros and cons either way, and certainly each has their potential to frustrate. If someone decides not to be with our shell as a result of the lotting system, then that's a reasonable decision and nothing to get to angry over.

[aurik]

In our shell: the hands tend to be pld > thf > others, but we're running out of plds I think.

The other 2 pieces (not counting the head lol) are freelot among jobs that can use, with the stipulation that you can only win 1 and if you do, you can't lot at the next omega.

My LS uses an order for the body piece (mostly thfs but a blu got the last one) but we're nearly complete. Only 1 person who regularly uses thf doesn't have body yet (hi Wafik!). After that it'll probably be handled the same way the legs/feet are.

Since you can easily crank 2 omega / month even with a smaller group, it isn't a huge deal. Just do more Apollyon, as even at 20k/coin it's profit.