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[Pyro]

With all due respect to Mario Galaxy and how awesome it's gonna be, is no one else excited for Assassin's Creed? I mean cereally..

I was worried about AC because I was afraid ubisoft would fuck up the PS3 version, but reviews and reports are saying its identical to the 360 version and they fixed all the tearing,control, and framerate problems on both consoles. So now its back on my "Damn i gotta pay $60 for another game* list.

But yea Mario Galaxy were its at, I loved me some Mario 64 and ill love me some Mario Galaxy.

Because I'm not doing my SDF duty the Uncharted Demo comes out today, I think alot of you will be surprised in how well done the game is. Alot of great previews, impressions, and etc but ill let the demo do the talking.

The PS3 was the lead console in development, so they didn't have difficulties porting it from the 360 to PS3 like EA does when they are lazy. If I were EA I'd be pretty embarassed after seeing what Infinity Ward just did with CoD4.

[Semitry]

If I were EA I'd be pretty embarassed after seeing what Infinity Ward just did with CoD4.

I wouldn't if I were EA. If you see the software breakdown by EA they spent resources where the best ROI was.

Xbox 360 - $218 million
PlayStation 2 - $73 million
Nintendo Wii - $59 million
Nintendo DS - $47 million
PlayStation Portable - $21 million
PlayStation 3 - $17 million

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=16152

Activision (Publishers of COD4) on the other hand, with their biggest launch of all time in GH3, did not profit.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=30298

Of course as a gamer I'd agree with you.

Uncharted's Demo is up btw.

[Pyro]

Yeah, I'm not at my house so I'm waiting with eager anticipation to try it out when I get home. Going to have to do it quick though so I can get back to CoD.

EDIT: I'm confused, you say that Activision made no profit whatsoever, but from what I'm reading in that article, they made an ass load of profit. Read another article stating that both CoD4 and GH3 are sold out pretty much everywhere.

[Pyro]

Yeah, I'm not at my house so I'm waiting with eager anticipation to try it out when I get home. Going to have to do it quick though so I can get back to CoD.

EDIT: I'm confused, you say that Activision made no profit whatsoever, but from what I'm reading in that article, they made an ass load of profit. Read another article stating that both CoD4 and GH3 are sold out pretty much everywhere.

EDIT2: It's obvious to at least me why EA had such low revenues from the PS3 and it's because no one wants to buy shitty ports that they didn't put any work into. I have no doubt in my mind that the PS3 version of The Orange Box will be shitty because Valve handed it off to EA to do.

I have no idea why I just quoted my own post, I must have missed the Edit button.

[Semitry]

EDIT: I'm confused, you say that Activision made no profit whatsoever, but from what I'm reading in that article, they made an ass load of profit. Read another article stating that both CoD4 and GH3 are sold out pretty much everywhere.

Net income for the second fiscal quarter was USD 0.7 million, or break-even earnings per share, as compared to a net loss of USD 24.3 million, or a loss per share of USD 0.09 reported for the second quarter of last fiscal year.

Net income is basically profit for a company I believe. Of course GH3 and COD4 will show up in 3rd and 4th quarters too and most of their profits will most likely be there. But the main point is, EA is a business savvy company so they will focus their attention where the most money is to be made and not where the best possible experience for gamers. And because of that they're able to make the most money and monopolizing shit like NFL games!

It's obvious to at least me why EA had such low revenues from the PS3 and it's because no one wants to buy shitty ports that they didn't put any work into. I have no doubt in my mind that the PS3 version of The Orange Box will be shitty because Valve handed it off to EA to do.

I'd agree with you but Sony's first party games are doing shitty too. Heavenly Sword, Lair, Warhawk...

[CaptainN]

Can't really declare Heavenly sword sales shitty yet, because it could pick up during the holiday season. Warhawk when you find some numbers for PSN downloads please let me know.



Lets not talk about Lair


Edit: Uncharted is one of the best game on the PS3, PS3 GOTY and GOTY contender.

[Semitry]

Can't really declare Heavenly sword sales shitty yet, because it could pick up during the holiday season. Warhawk when you find some numbers for PSN downloads please let me know.

Lets not talk about Lair

So Heavenly Sword will contradict the general trend with hardcore video game causing sales to increase monthly after release instead of declining? It's possible I guess, stranger things have happened like Idol Master's is back in the top 20 in japan and the 360 sold more units then the PS3 there too due to Ace Combat 6 lol. If the PSN numbers were great, Sony would brag about it. Lair's trash but than so is a lot of EA games...

[CaptainN]

Can't really declare Heavenly sword sales shitty yet, because it could pick up during the holiday season. Warhawk when you find some numbers for PSN downloads please let me know.

Lets not talk about Lair

So Heavenly Sword will contradict the general trend with hardcore video game causing sales to increase monthly after release instead of declining? It's possible I guess, stranger things have happened like Idol Master's is back in the top 20 in japan and the 360 sold more units then the PS3 there too due to Ace Combat 6 lol. If the PSN numbers were great, Sony would brag about it. Lair's trash but than so is a lot of EA games...

Or maybe Sony become more humble? Bragging hasn't gotten them anything but misery and Ive could sworn there was an interview were they said they were happy with Warhawk PSN numbers but eh who knows. I was talking about Heavenly sword software sales, don't really give a shit about hardware, cause they will always suck. PS3 is pretty much a dead system but as long as I enjoy it who cares.

Lets all congratulate the 360 in Japan it beat the PS3 by like 150 units.

[Semitry]

Can't really declare Heavenly sword sales shitty yet, because it could pick up during the holiday season. Warhawk when you find some numbers for PSN downloads please let me know.

Lets not talk about Lair

So Heavenly Sword will contradict the general trend with hardcore video game causing sales to increase monthly after release instead of declining? It's possible I guess, stranger things have happened like Idol Master's is back in the top 20 in japan and the 360 sold more units then the PS3 there too due to Ace Combat 6 lol. If the PSN numbers were great, Sony would brag about it. Lair's trash but than so is a lot of EA games...

Or maybe Sony become more humble? Bragging hasn't gotten them anything but misery and Ive could sworn there was an interview were they said they were happy with Warhawk PSN numbers but eh who knows. I was talking about Heavenly sword software sales, don't really give a shit about hardware, cause they will always suck. PS3 is pretty much a dead system but as long as I enjoy it who cares.

Lets all congratulate the 360 in Japan it beat the PS3 by like 150 units.

I was talking about HS too, as in it's possible but highly unlikely it'll actually pick up and do well. And Sony humble... lol if they were humble they wouldn't flat out lie in their press release. Remember this original discussion is started off as me explaining the rationale for EA not putting in the extra resources into making perfect ports for the PS3, not my system is better than yours type deal. Since you, as a Sony backer believe the PS3 is dead, why would a business oriented company like EA disagree? That's pretty bad.

[CaptainN]

I was talking about HS too, as in it's possible but highly unlikely it'll actually pick up and do well. And Sony humble... lol if they were humble they wouldn't flat out lie in their press release. Remember this original discussion is started off as me explaining the rationale for EA not putting in the extra resources into making perfect ports for the PS3, not my system is better than yours type deal. Since you, as a Sony backer believe the PS3 is dead, why would a business oriented company like EA disagree? That's pretty bad.

What do you expect there press releases to look like " NO NOES SONY AM DOOMED, THE PS3 SUCKS". Jesus if you think SCEA is the first company to lie when there doing bad then you might wanna step outside, that shit happens all the time, besides the overall company of Sony is in the green. I say humble because look how they acted when the PS3 first came out and look how they act now, its a shit ton different and there trying to get there shit together but its probably two late.

As far as EA putting extra resources into perfect PS3 ports, if your going to make a multi platform game then you should make it equal on both platforms so that it has a chance to sell to its maximum potential on both platforms. Using COD 4 as an example, sure it will sell more on the 360 no doubt but that doesn't mean it can't sell 400k on PS3 in the US. Which would be really good sells for a PS3 game with the user base the PS3 has. I believe companies are starting to realize this and seeing it from the point of view of a combined user base for PS3 and the 360. Games just cost to damn much to do exclusives for UNLESS theres moneyhats involved. I feel that the days of shitty ports for the PS3 are over, either companies learned to start development on PS3 first or Sony finally sent good development kits or they doing the "Capcom" approach and doing a part PC/360/PS3 engine (Ie DMC4 is using this odd but sexy engine).

[Semitry]

Press releases usually don't lie. They spin, which is to take a different perspective on things to make them look better. Sony has been spinning up until recently when they just straight out lied. I don't think lying to make yourself look better is considered humble. They're less arrogant for sure though.

In a perfect world, having identical ports is ideal but in one where time is money, not so much. I doubt any Sony fanboys were complaining about inferior ports when the gamecube was getting them. Hopefully IW or Capcom licenses their engine to other developers, but I doubt it.

[CaptainN]

Press releases usually don't lie. They spin, which is to take a different perspective on things to make them look better. Sony has been spinning up until recently when they just straight out lied. I don't think lying to make yourself look better is considered humble. They're less arrogant for sure though.

In a perfect world, having identical ports is ideal but in one where time is money, not so much. I doubt any Sony fanboys were complaining about inferior ports when the gamecube was getting them. Hopefully IW or Capcom licenses their engine to other developers, but I doubt it.

A spin is a lie in my opinion but hey doesn't matter, I don't work for Sony. Your right though time is money and thats what i mean if your going to take the time to make a multi platform game then your obviously going to use money. So use your money in the appropriate fashion so your multi platform games are equal on both consoles, its just that simple. Also another thing you need to take into prospective is these companies had to develop new engines for the PS3. But now that there finished they can save alot of money by using the same engine or a slightly modified one.

How in the hell did the gamecube get inferior ports to the PS2? It was more powerful and easier to program for, i don't remember gamecube ports because I didn't own one but i'm sure they won't inferior in anyway shape or form.

[XxSlusherxx]

How in the hell did the gamecube get inferior ports to the PS2? It was more powerful and easier to program for, i don't remember gamecube ports because I didn't own one but i'm sure they won't inferior in anyway shape or form.

because multi platform GC games would sell like 5% of the total sales of that game they put no money whatsoever into them and with the exception of Fifa they were HORRIBLE. Semitry is making a ton of sense but your refusing to look at it from a capitalist perspective.

[Semitry]

So use your money in the appropriate fashion so your multi platform games are equal on both consoles, its just that simple.

If it was that easy, these multi billion dollar companies would be doing it. If you ever coded multithreaded programs or ported things across architectures you would know what a bitch it is. I can't imagine doing both. Everyone agrees the PS3 is harder to program for right? So lets say EA wanted to get Madden on the PS3 up to 60fps, that would take like 2 extra months. What do you do? Delay the 360 version 2 months and lose those 2 months of sales and miss the football season? Or maybe you release the 360 version and let the PS3 version miss out on 2 months of sales and have the PS3 fans bitching anyways because they wouldn't have their game for those 2 months. Even then, they wouldn't be identical, but it shouldn't matter if they are or not as long as the game is still enjoyable unless you have an inferiority complex. I bet a bunch of PS3 owners enjoying COD4 right now would not be enjoying it if they knew the 360 version had better textures or framerate.

[ertyu]

So use your money in the appropriate fashion so your multi platform games are equal on both consoles, its just that simple.

I laughed pretty hard.

Let's look at the top 5 sales from last week:

1 360 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 798,671
2 Wii Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 271,053
3 PS2 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 254,596
4 Wii Wii Sports 146,934
5 PS3 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 113,040

So if you're a company making a game, and you see shit like this week in and week out. What console do you spend more resources on to perfect?

and lol @ wii sports beating ps3 guitar hero numbers haha

[CaptainN]

How in the hell did the gamecube get inferior ports to the PS2? It was more powerful and easier to program for, i don't remember gamecube ports because I didn't own one but i'm sure they won't inferior in anyway shape or form.

because multi platform GC games would sell like 5% of the total sales of that game they put no money whatsoever into them and with the exception of Fifa they were HORRIBLE. Semitry is making a ton of sense but your refusing to look at it from a capitalist perspective.

I fully understand what he's saying but if your saying well one console sell more games, then we will make it perfect on that console. Then port it over to another console and make a shit port that we know won't sell then they shouldn't port it over in the first place. Don't know about anyone else but if your not going to try to make the game run well then just don't port it over. I'm looking at it from a capitalistic perspective I just have a different point of view then everyone else, but ehh again we will see if PS3 ports remain shit.

[Xavier]

one console sell more games, then we will make it perfect on that console. Then port it over to another console and make a shit port that we know won't sell then they shouldn't port it over in the first place. I'm looking at it from a capitalistic perspective I just have a different point of view then everyone else, but ehh again we will see if PS3 ports remain shit.

You aren't looking at it from a capitalistic perspective at all. You're saying they should either spend -more- resources on a port that they don't think will sell as well, or none at all and not bother porting.

If they can cheaply port a game to another system, and even if its shit compared to the normal game, and it only sells 25% as well as the normal game, they've still generated additional revenue at minimal effort. In the 360/PS3 situation, in terms of opportunity cost, it makes far more sense to sloppily throw a port together, because there will always be -someone- who buys it because they only have one system.

[Po]

4 Wii Wii Sports 146,934
5 PS3 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 113,040

That is fucking hilarious. That essentially means the Wii console outsold GH3 for PS3 since you can't buy Wii Sports w/o the console.

[Exoduso]

since when is wii sports sold as a separate entity?

[Semitry]

since when is wii sports sold as a separate entity?

Around the same time Wii Play sold without a controller.