New Assault Area (03/01/2007)

[Matricide]

It sounds exciting, I won't lie, but damn if it doesn't sound way too good to be true. have we EVER gotten an update that's as good as it looked on the outside?

There's a trick here.. I'll eat my foot if not but I have a hard time thinking it will be what people are saying. I mean it's like screenshotting limbus and saying look fafnir! ridills for all! So, we'll see, I won't get my hopes up as always. Plus it will introduce many problems (3-6 people/etc).

If it's true though and that barrier is broken to let people get the things they want, what are they gonna let us do with it? We need more than itamz, we need a reason to use/need them before I'm satisfied.

[Spira]

it has a lot of potential..

judging from the size of limbus when it was released, and because they say that this will be randomized, its possible for a whole varied amount of content in Nyzul Isle. I'll trust SE to put up strange requirements but wont expect it to be easy after say the first 10 floors.

I'd imagine its 10 blocks of 5 floors.. and that people would need to keep doing the 1st block of floors again and again to get more tokens to pursue the next block of floors..

based on the dats, there are 8 floor designs for them to play with, and countless number of mobs for them to work with.

maybe, for example, it requires 9 tokens to unlock the 10th block of floors, so if you just want to go at that, you'd need to farm the 1st block 9 days in a row before you get a shot at the 10th block of floors where all the hnms and their loot are at.. but there could also be a random factor of which mob it is.. perhaps they have a set of 10 mobs per block and they pick a few each time they generate the map.

very very exciting cos of the vast potential...

[Isiolia]

I wonder if things are "random" based on the number of people you bring in too. As in, if you want a chance to fight the behemoth mob you need to bring 5 people or something. Or you could get any of the 3 or 4 person ones as well.

What'll be interesting is that, presuming there will be non-manaburnable mobs in the mix, we're just gonna have to make the most capable, rounded groups we can to be prepared for anything that winds up being in there. I think that's a more attractive "challenge" than removing subjobs and the like.

[Sixtail]

Why are we all assuming that they will drop the same things? Sure it doesnt say they'll drop anything new, but all I see is "rare treasure".

I'm hoping they dont drop the same old stale things we've been getting for years. 3 man a d.ring and ridill? No thanks...

I'm sorry but that's what they need to drop or something as close to them as possable.

[Senoska]

I'm excited but if this really does drop a ridill, etc wont this make the game die out faster? I know alot of people that play this game only to get those items, after they get those items its like "what's next?", there is nothing beyond this. If it does drop a ridill and whatnot, I hope they add something to progress to afterwards.

Dont get me wrong I'm dieing to see this I hope to god this drops a ridill, ebody, dring, etc. I was just pointing that out.

I hope you dont fall on your face with this one SE, you have my hopes up, plz dont smash them ;(

[Tekki]

I'm not sure why everyone is talking about Fafnir being in here when they specifically said that only a max of 6 peopel can enter, lol.

Anyway this sounds like pure fucking win, I can't wait to try it.

B/c the real deal is definitely 6-man-able? Especially w/ an instanced, non-zerg form, you could probably do it with less.

edit: If they do this right, you won't have to be so concerned over "getting your shit, then quit syndrome." This has a LOT of potential. The key is, they said random floors, and random mobs. This is assault. You can only do it 3 times a day. Even at that, if they do it right, you might not see Fafnir for a week in there. Think about it. You could spend 2-3 of your tags initially to figure out these floors, and get to the top, just to fight Tom Tit Tat, Roc, or a lesser King. Hell they could even extend the pool from Gods, to Kings, to RMTHNMs (Roc, Serket, etc). So you could go 1-2 weeks and MAYBE see a King in there. Then they could throw in the drop rate of a normal King, you could potential spend the SAME amount of time you do now getting your King gear.

Difference? You dont have to stand in one spot for 3 hours to camp it if you dont want. Its the same concept, but your effort isn't measured in camping hours, its measured in REAL effort and work @ assault.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Hmmm, I'm guessing if the kings are closer to their outside strength, then this would give people what they want--the challenge of fighting something rather than claiming it. While for some reason I see abjurations being more likely here (if they even do have king drops) than stuff like D.Ring/Ridill, I would rather see stuff like D.Ring/Ridill here and abjurations on the greater wyrms of Tiamat/Jormy/Vrtra and the Near Eastern menaces of Hydra/Cerb/Khim. Also, regarding why the kings would be here, ramparts seem to enjoy kidnapping monsters from across the globe. Or there's like Rocl said, there are obviously other behemoths and adamantoises other than the 2 we know, and king behes could be alpha males and aspids are really old adamans. Then there's Faf and Nid, and Bahamut and his wyrms have been shown to be able to manipulate time and space to teleport.

Also, I hope they give those new flan/soulflayer models to the Socket/Slot flan/soulflayers and maybe to the empathetic flan and at least the NM psycheflayer.

EDIT: I see a rampart behind the lesser wyrm, so they do seem to rampart reinforcements, but does "normally elusive Notorious Monsters" have to mean the EXACT NMs we are used to?

[Matricide]

I'm not sure why everyone is talking about Fafnir being in here when they specifically said that only a max of 6 peopel can enter, lol.

Anyway this sounds like pure fucking win, I can't wait to try it.

B/c the real deal is definitely 6-man-able? Especially w/ an instanced, non-zerg form, you could probably do it with less.

when has SE ever gave anything away? you'd have to go with a group of 6 elite people to beat a fafnir. and all this talk of tokens, it may take a couple weeks of 'farming' this assault to get enough tokens to fight it. etc..

[Mertron]

I'm not sure why everyone is talking about Fafnir being in here when they specifically said that only a max of 6 peopel can enter, lol.

Anyway this sounds like pure fucking win, I can't wait to try it.

B/c the real deal is definitely 6-man-able? Especially w/ an instanced, non-zerg form, you could probably do it with less.

when has SE ever gave anything away? you'd have to go with a group of 6 elite people to beat a fafnir. and all this talk of tokens, it may take a couple weeks of 'farming' this assault to get enough tokens to fight it. etc..

Some people would prefer farming tokens for a while rather than set an alarm clock for 4 am to stare at darters with 150 other people for 3 hours.

edit: assuming this area drops what people will naturally assume may drop there.

[divisortheory]

I'm not sure why everyone is talking about Fafnir being in here when they specifically said that only a max of 6 peopel can enter, lol.

Anyway this sounds like pure fucking win, I can't wait to try it.

B/c the real deal is definitely 6-man-able? Especially w/ an instanced, non-zerg form, you could probably do it with less.

Certainly not by MOST groups of people. It's possible by a small number of extremely well equipped endgame groups. This is supposed to be for everyone >.>



That being said, I can't tell from reading it how high it will go? Is it just me or does it sound like it could theoretically go for hundreds of floors?

[Spira]

I wonder if things are "random" based on the number of people you bring in too. As in, if you want a chance to fight the behemoth mob you need to bring 5 people or something. Or you could get any of the 3 or 4 person ones as well.

or maybe screw people over. if there a majority of BLMs, they load Hydra or Jailer of Temperance lol

if theres a majority of melees, load Genbu and Jailer of Love


im willing to bet they won't just pull mobs from anywhere. I don't think we'll see any pop system NMs coming into the picture.. but it seems likely if they add the HNMs - zilart kings, cop wyrms and ToA greek mytho fiends.

[Kyreth]

yes, they are giving the userbase what they wanted for so long, i hope y'all like the scenery in nyzul isle because you're gonna be seeing it everyday for a year.

edit: wtf is with the squid-head, have the dev been reading lovecraft?

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

Never seen a Soulflayer? (Or for that matter, Mindflayers from D&D?)

[Matricide]

yeah i wasn't disagreeing about it, i think instancing mobs and kings is always a better solution--i think anything is possible at this point. lets just hope they do it in a way that people analyze and enjoy vs "fuck that im not going to even bother". Even smaller loot pools, and only getting to fight once or twice a month--still better than what it is now.

Would bug me a bit if I cant go with my linkshell as a whole if that were the case.. but hey, better than nothing. if anything it gives us something to do with some randomness which i'm actually interested in.

[Rocl]

Between actual Assault gear, Salvage gear, and Nyzul gear it could be a difficult choice
Then again for me it'd be more of a dalmatica vs. morrigan robe thing since I have no interest in ridill and defending ring D:

This is all assuming 3 Kings gear actually drops from there >_>

Ah, looks like I'll have to bust out a few coins and flip them a few times to figure out what I'm going to do!
Heads- Nyzul
Tails- Salvage
OK GO BEST TWO OUT OF THREE
Tails Tails >_>

[divisortheory]

It actually just occurred to me that they seem to indicate this is compltely the same as a normal Assault mission, with the exception that you won't receive Assault Points. if that is the case, it will actually really suck, because it will be impossible to maintain a rigorous Salvage schedule anymore since your tags will be used, but you won't be getting points.

[Ninjiz]

I'm not sure why everyone is talking about Fafnir being in here when they specifically said that only a max of 6 peopel can enter, lol.

Anyway this sounds like pure fucking win, I can't wait to try it.

LOl Faf can already be killed with 6 people XD

youll you just have to be flawless because youd need the entire hour before rage kicks in.

[Tekki]

It actually just occurred to me that they seem to indicate this is compltely the same as a normal Assault mission, with the exception that you won't receive Assault Points. if that is the case, it will actually really suck, because it will be impossible to maintain a rigorous Salvage schedule anymore since your tags will be used, but you won't be getting points.

This is there way of drawing out the "get your shit" process before you complete the "and quit" part.

[Vygun]

That being said, I can't tell from reading it how high it will go? Is it just me or does it sound like it could theoretically go for hundreds of floors?

Thats one way of reading it. It could also be maybe 25 floors that get repeated in random orders making it go on forever? way too early to tell. This update couldn't come any faster.

[Kyreth]

You find a ??? paper on Nyzul Nidhogg.

-to the appraiser-

Aha, I have appraised your ??? scroll. It is a scroll of Stone II. Better luck next time!

Slightly less ironic- it'd be a clear-cut reason for things like the ??? cloth (ZOMG cashmere/shining) and other ??? items that haven't shown as drops so far in ToAU but do exist in the .dats.

[Spira]

what they could do about this is fix the drop rate and the workings of Salvage abit so that people would actually want to do them more..

and then by implementing Nyzul Isle (with hopefully a good rate of drops and stuff), make use of the existance of opportunity cost to prevent people from whoring either one too much.

that would seem to be the 1st main drawback with this system. if u do this regularly, u cant do salvage as much.. and vice versa