New Assault Area (03/01/2007)

[Kazen]

This update is kinda funny though... People ask for King gear to get easier to obtain so SE is giving us this (or hopefully it works like that) and yet people still bitch and complain. I dont quite get why it matters where SE gives us the drops we want as long as they are indeed giving us the content we've been waiting for.

[Ravenlokk]

With this update- it almost seems like SE is listening to us. . .

I kinda hope the kings are full strength to keep it challenging. Its doable with 6- i dont want it to be easy. . . I'd rather see full strength with no SSJ Timer (its instanced anyways- so its pointless). 6 people should have no problem killing it in like 1.5-2 hrs . If its too easy, king abjus/ridills/etc gonna turn into shit.

[Toth]

This update is kinda funny though... People ask for King gear to get easier to obtain so SE is giving us this (or hopefully it works like that) and yet people still bitch and complain. I dont quite get why it matters where SE gives us the drops we want as long as they are indeed giving us the content we've been waiting for.

We don't even know what drops there though. This is all asumption. It could be all new stuff.

[divisortheory]

If its too easy, king abjus/ridills/etc gonna turn into shit.

Assuming king abjs and ridills can even be obtained here, which I think is already highly unlikely.

That being said, if they are full strength, pretty much anyone without one of 4-5 key jobs will be excluded from participating. I think they'll be scaled downl.

[Kazen]

This update is kinda funny though... People ask for King gear to get easier to obtain so SE is giving us this (or hopefully it works like that) and yet people still bitch and complain. I dont quite get why it matters where SE gives us the drops we want as long as they are indeed giving us the content we've been waiting for.

We don't even know what drops there though. This is all asumption. It could be all new stuff.

Still though, its something new that looks like a decent challenge, people should start complaining yet when we havent even seen it yet.

[Blackice]

If its too easy, king abjus/ridills/etc gonna turn into shit.

I actually disagree, a Ridill regardless of how many people have it, can still never be considered "shit" same with D.Ring. Also, if they do drop these iteams, we have to take into consideration of SE's love for shit drop rates. My guess is they will be nearly as hard as Kings are currently, just w/o the SSJ timer but still the low drop rates.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Other floor:
1: 50% chance of Tiamat, 50% chance of hydra
2: 50% chance of Jormy, 50% chance of Cerberus
3: 50% chance of Vrtra, 50% chance of khimaira
or maybe 25% chance of the 4 greater wyrms and exclude ToAU NMs (if so then this could be called the wyrm floor)

Another floor:
1 rampart: 20% chance of Bakgodek, 20% chance of new Antican NM, 20% chance of Gulool Ja Ja, 20% chance of new Goblin NM, 20% chance of new Demon NM
2: 20% chance of Ze'Dha, 20% chance of new Sahagin NM, 20% chance of Gurfurlur, 20% chance of new Gigas NM, 20% chance of new Moblin NM
3: 20% chance of Tzee Xicu, 20% chance of new Tonberry NM, 20% chance of Medusa, 20% chance of new Qiqirn NM, 20% chance of new Black Coffin Fomor NM or maybe Qutrub NM
or maybe get rid of Gulool/Gurf/Medusa and make it 25% for everything else. (This floor would obviously be called the beastmen floor)

Or just have these ramparts throughout the area.

Note: I'm not saying I like this idea or anything, just throwing some ideas out. Chance of getting certain NMs sounds like something they'd do, especially after Bhaflau Remnants.

Tiamat, Jormy, and Vrtra with 6 people? Unless they scale down the difficulty quite a bit I don't think we'll be seeing Wyrms, land kings, beastman kings, or any other type of HNM with this.

Yeah, forgot to mention in that post that stuff will be adjusted like in "The Wyrmking Descends".

[Ryko]

If its too easy, king abjus/ridills/etc gonna turn into shit.

I actually disagree, a Ridill regardless of how many people have it, can still never be considered "shit" same with D.Ring. Also, if they do drop these iteams, we have to take into consideration of SE's love for shit drop rates. My guess is they will be nearly as hard as Kings are currently, just w/o the SSJ timer but still the low drop rates.

"But if he has it it makes mine less speciaaaaaaaaaaal"

Even so, say they don't even cut out the difficulty and on some floors it's just a race against the clock to down a king, I'd take a 6 man chance at an HQ kill any day of the week if I knew I'd score an abjuration for it. I mean damn, nidhogg with 6 is no fucking problem if you cut out all the variables.

[ringthree]

SE has been listening more and more people just can't wait for the changes. Every update they have had since Limbus has been pretty darn good, and getting better. The last major screw up was Ullikummi and that was an attempt to help us (horribly failed but they were listening), and screwing BST's (again, well intentioned, horribly failed).

SE has shown they are moving in a direction of listening to us, things have actually been progressively getting better.

[safer]

If its too easy, king abjus/ridills/etc gonna turn into shit.

I actually disagree, a Ridill regardless of how many people have it, can still never be considered "shit" same with D.Ring. Also, if they do drop these iteams, we have to take into consideration of SE's love for shit drop rates. My guess is they will be nearly as hard as Kings are currently, just w/o the SSJ timer but still the low drop rates.

"But if he has it it makes mine less speciaaaaaaaaaaal"

with the people i see around with ridills.... there is nothing special about it D;

[Vedder]

Aren't there 10 "placeholders" in the DATs after the normal Assault area missions are listed? These have been generally assumed to be Nyzul Isle Assaults when introduced, right?

While there is no requirement other than being a registered mercenary, I think it only makes sense that you're gonna have to rank up in order to access all the different Assaults at the new area...

It sounds to me like most people are assuming it will just be one Assault that varies in map layout and objective as you progress floor to floor, but I would tend to lean toward the idea that there will ultimately be 10 Assaults at Nyzul Isle and while they will all follow the same format... the "boss" or goal at the end will be different.

Like for PSC the "boss" or top level NM is like Leaping Lizzy or someting... but as you progress they ultimately get more lucrative ... until you rank all the way up and you have a chance at encountering a Fafnir-type or Behemoth-type NM or whatever.

10 different Nyzul Isle Assaults could give a wide range of mobs and loot to include in the area... and eventually it would become known which areas have which NMs and people can target them for items/gear they desire.

At least this is how I'd like to see it work... give some sort of incentive to rank up and reward the people immediately that have already done so.

[Shadowrunner]

I hate to be the sour-puss, but am I the only one expecting "rare loot" to be more Behemoth Hides and Horns in the market?

I absolutely adore Instancing and FFXI's decision to move it in. It's so so much more fun. But I don't expect D.Rings, I don't expect Ridills. I just expect more Dragon Hearts, more Behemoth Hides, more other ugly stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I'm estatic about it either way. I adored fighting those things in Limbus. I just ... couldn't possibly even imagine .. such a drastic change on the way things come.

I dunno, comes from playing for way too long but. Meh.

I hope i'm wrong. It'd be really really nice. It'll be really nice either way, unless i have to shell out a cool Mil or something just to participate <3

[Ryko]

with the people i see around with ridills.... there is nothing special about it D;

I dunno dude, sikdelita rocks a pretty mean uh... I guess steel cyclone? I dunno, I havent actually seen him use the damn thing ever, sure as fuck doesn't stop him from keeping that suppanomimi on when he switches to GA though.

I hate to be the sour-puss, but am I the only one expecting "rare loot" to be more Behemoth Hides and Horns in the market?

No, you're definitely not alone.

[Ravenlokk]

by shit- i mean it loses its "oh wow" factor and become another common item like a haub+1. I mean its allready easy enough to get as it is... look at all the ridill warriors who dont even know how to use em allready .

Probably gonna be BB items and craftables anyways xD!

[Coren]

It's also possible that you can trade your tokens for X good item. Maybe NPC has a list of stuff you can get (why hallo thar ridill/abj/etc), and you can just trade it in. That way it still takes forever, but it's not based on luck. You'll have to have say 20,000 of the tokens (relic currency?) to get your ridill, which will take you 6 months.

[safer]

10 different Nyzul Isle Assaults could give a wide range of mobs and loot to include in the area... and eventually it would become known which areas have which NMs and people can target them for items/gear they desire.

seems like it'll be more random though.. so people cant really choose when you want to enter a kings floor or not... (however probably the higher up you are the greater the chance of you encountering them)

the randomness is good though because it will keep things semi fresh and you'll have to be prepared for anything... i like it ;D

[Toth]

So....I am going to guess that the update will be a week from this upcoming Monday, a few days after the Chocobo Racing tidbit is revealed sometime next week.

[Sonomaa]

Im not concerned about random people getting a ridill making it that much less special. with all the botting shitheads getting them without issue, the chance of putting them in somebodys hand who knows what they are doing makes it all the more rewarding. Ive seen way too many dumbasses walking around with the ridill and ebody the LS botted for them who look like trashy whores for the rest of their armor and couldnt outdamage the well geared dragoon in their merit pt. skill > gear
if this gives what we speculate it could, that means the players with the skill will get the gear

[Devia]

with the people i see around with ridills.... there is nothing special about it D;

I dunno dude, sikdelita rocks a pretty mean uh... I guess steel cyclone? I dunno, I havent actually seen him use the damn thing ever, sure as fuck doesn't stop him from keeping that suppanomimi on when he switches to GA though.

LOL ... good one, Ryko.

[Ryko]

Tbh I really hate that skill/gear argument, you could throw any dumbass into an ebody and a ridill and as long as they know "Hey dumbass, fully merit zerk and aggressor" then beyond that isn't even skill. You just either have it or you don't. There's a very very thick defined line between being competent and retardation, and it has to be the latter if you actually manage to make the aforementioned pieces fail.