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  1. #141
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    Yeah, the whole Ulli situation is just unbelievable at this point. Ongoing problem for years, still nothing being done. I can guarantee you that they'll be all over that zone in a heartbeat with a fix if they screwed up the code and made stones drop from any statue, but hey it apparently takes *years* to figure out how to make it so RMT can't cock-block Ulli.

    The real question is what the hell does SE want from this game? If they want happy customers who will spread the word about what a great game FFXI is and how awesome SE is so they can make more money then maybe, just *maybe* they should listen to the cacophonous voices telling them how fucked up many aspects of it are. If they'd address these issues in a timely fashion then FFXI would increase its player-base and they'd have an easy transition to a new MMO. However I for one (and I can speak for many people I've talked with who agree) that this will be the last SE produced MMO I will ever play.

    Obviously I'm not going anywhere for a while because there's still content I enjoy, but that doesn't change the fact that the potential for FFXI to be fantastic makes it frustrating to see how broken it is in some areas. With SE frequently doing the "just wait and see" game or blatantly telling its subscribers "no" with regards to obvious problems, they're basically shooting themselves in the foot. This interview is the same tired crap they've been spewing for a while. I'm by no means surprised by it and I think a lot of people are indifferent at this point. But like I stated, I'll never buy another MMO from SE again. They've proven they don't have the resources or inclination to take care of their customers.

    (Queue BRP and others like him with the "wah" and "quit now" responses. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gere
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeryhn
    Is that guy on the right trying to do the west side symbol...?

    omg
    More likely trying to do a shaka but still not doing it right.
    So he's Tamarian?

  3. #143
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    Why in the hell, in a thread thats entirely about the relationship between the company and its playerbase, and the many issues that exist between them, would anyone suggest "if you don't like it quit."

    Telling someone to quit on an endgames forum, in a thread devoted to the relationship and problems of the company and game, because they are unhappy, is bullshit. To those of you who suggest such a course of action, please leave the forums. You're obviously completely happy with the status-quo and you're just wasting our bandwidth.

  4. #144
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    FFXI designers wearing Crab Aprons ftw

    (ok they're not really aprons but w/e)

  5. #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckwin
    FFXI designers wearing Crab Aprons ftw

    (ok they're not really aprons but w/e)
    Considering most of their game design comes from players still stuck in the dunes, thats fairly appropriate.

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    Xavier, just so we are on the same page, I don't think its wrong to be upset with SE's answers. What I do think is wrong is practically crying rivers over it. Some it, like I said before, is bitching for the sake of bitching.

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    At this point it's probably best to drop any call for changing Kings.. or Wyrms... or anything really that's already put out (save Sea which is broken).

    SE's all about improving the game through -new- areas/ methods. If the new assualt is what we hope, they'll have proven they at least have an ear to the player base, even if they impliment things in their own fashion, which is something I'd be content with.

  8. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRP
    Some it, like I said before, is bitching for the sake of bitching.
    Not really worse than appeasement for the sake of appeasement.

    Big difference being appeasement means nothing changes and Square is none the wiser, bitching means nothing changes but at least Square knows it sucks.

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    I remember in the BG interview when BG asked them about Sea and it's non 100% drop rates he said he was surprised and would talk to the dev team, and they gave a similar answer now, at least they are consistent!

  10. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lordwafik
    I remember in the BG interview when BG asked them about Sea and it's non 100% drop rates he said he was surprised and would talk to the dev team, and they gave a similar answer now, at least they are consistent!
    He didn't know what Sea was, thats why he was surprised to be asked the question.

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    I'm not telling people to quit, but I am saying that people should wake up and realize that these PR fuckfaces have been shoveling the same pile of bullshit under people's noses for what, 2-3 years now? I think it'd just be easier on everyone to not expect anything, this way when something good does come along, it'll make people happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier
    Why in the hell, in a thread thats entirely about the relationship between the company and its playerbase, and the many issues that exist between them, would anyone suggest "if you don't like it quit."

    Telling someone to quit on an endgames forum, in a thread devoted to the relationship and problems of the company and game, because they are unhappy, is bullshit. To those of you who suggest such a course of action, please leave the forums. You're obviously completely happy with the status-quo and you're just wasting our bandwidth.
    Because it's the mantra of the


    COPOUT BRIGADE


    *heroic pose*

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    Is the Copout Brigade teamed up with Captain Safety Valve?

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    The bottom line is that we have a consumer relation with SE. If a consumer is dissatisfied with the service/product, they typical take their money elsewhere, and thats the ultimate motivator for the producer/provider. You can keep drowning out real discussion about new material/information with "fuck this noise/I hate SE/This game is awful/we're getting plowed in the ass with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed-wire/I'm not gonna stand for it anymore and by that I mean yes I'm still gonna keep paying and playing" all you want, but that's not gonna get SE to call you up right now and ask you for changes they should add ASAP. It's pretty commonly accepted by the endgame community that there are problems with FFXI and the dev team needs a lot of work on community relations, so really whats the point in continuing to bitch about the basics and re-tread known problems in such non-descriptive ways?

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    Great interview big B.

    I'm glad they're keeping kings the way they are.

    Bitching won't help. People have complained for the last 3 years and it hasn't done much. I'm not sure why you think it will now or why we really want to read the same bitching over and over and over and over again.

    If you really hate the game this much then quit. Some people are acting like druggies who can't quit, or people who stay married even though they hate each other. You can end your relationship with FFXI anytime you want but instead you choose to stay and hate it.

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    I think that through careful examination of this picture, we can gain insight into future FFXI developments.



    http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3524/pep1ru4.jpg


    I cropped the original a bit, but still not seeing anything... Wait! What's that?


    http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1830/pep2gu1.jpg



    Could it be?!? Is it really...



    http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6796/pep3ib6.jpg


    PEPPERMASTER!!!!

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    Bercus, I applaud you my good friend, you asked good questions but we got bullshit answers. They say the obvious and take away the little hope we all build up inside

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    Oh Bagel, you never seem to disappoint.

  19. #159
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    I don't mean to rain on your SE-Bashing parade but I honestly understand and empathize with what they are saying. I tend to agree with their explanations actually.

  20. #160
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    If you really love the game so much, go play it.

    Square has always seemed out of touch with its playerbase, and the interview just reconfirmed it. Counter-bitching, that is, complaining that people are unhappy, is far worse than the actual bitching. If people are unhappy with the interview, they have every right to call out the problems with it.

    My problem is when people attack a person for attacking something. You aren't arguing that what Square said was good, you're arguing that people shouldn't say anything bad, and thats fucked up. This entire interview, along with these forums, are dedicated to trying to discuss endgame and the problems with it. Apathy isn't very constructive when everyone can agree theres a problem. Is bitching the best solution? No, but I'd say 50% of what goes on is bitching and the other 50% is constructive criticism, but most people can't tell the difference anymore.

    I think the interview, even though it took 4 months to get vague answers to a dozen questions, is a step in the right direction. But I don't think its without fault and anyone who suggests "complaining is wrong" needs to grow up.

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